[THIN] Re: Profiles on Citrix

I did not even bother to look into this, as I presumed there would be a
per-user cost associated with it. Looking into it as I type.

Thank you for your advice Angus.


On 5/18/07, Angus Macdonald <Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


 If you mean the financial cost, there isn't one. That's one of the
reasons I love Flex profiles!

-----Original Message-----
*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
Behalf Of *Toby
*Sent:* 18 May 2007 14:09
*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: Profiles on Citrix

 Hi Angus

And you use Flex profiles? Is the cost based on per user?

T.

On 5/18/07, Angus Macdonald <Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  I've just done a quick "finger in the air" test with one of my servers
> and the time from entering my password to the start button appearing is 5
> secs on a quiet server and 11 on a heavily loaded one. When we had standard
> roaming profiles it could be anywhere up to 45 seconds for the same job. In
> this one area, I'm happy with my servers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
> Behalf Of *Michael Pardee
> *Sent:* 18 May 2007 12:36
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Profiles on Citrix
>
> Exactly.  My goal is to provide 20 second logon and logoff performance
> for all of our users.  We are right about there.  After shaking some bugs
> out with Tricerat I think Simplify will fit the need.  We were able to get
> Flex down even faster, but I guess officially we cheated.  Instead of
> telling Flex what we wanted to "roam" for the user, we went the opposite
> route and told it to grab everything except for certain keys.  That's
> probably not the recommended way, but the logos were unbelievably fast –
> less than 10 seconds at the time.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Toby <toby.percival@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Reply-To: *< thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Date: *Fri, 18 May 2007 12:23:46 +0100
> *To: *<thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >
> *Subject: *[THIN] Re: Profiles on Citrix
>
> Thanks Michael, I will try the same. Anything to improve the mood of our
> beloved users!
>
> T.
>
>
> On 5/18/07, *Michael Pardee* < pardeemp.list@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> We've been testing Tricerat's Simplify Profiles product and just ran in
> to the same issue with the Internet Explorer Branding policy.  What we've
> noticed is that it may have something to do with the mandatory profile that
> we are using.  It was built from a system with IE, moved to a common network
> share, and then locked down via permissions.  Just for grins I copied that
> mandatory profile to a test share and applied it to a few of us that are
> testing.  I then opened up the permissions to see if that made any
> difference and the "branding..." part of the logon process flew by in a
> second or two.  Haven't had a lot of time to go back and figure all of this
> out yet, but I'm going to see if we can figure out what pieces need updated
> in our mandatory profile for IE7, make the changes, and then lock the
> profile down again.
>
> Not sure if this is the same thing that is slowing you down, but it is
> what seems to be causing it in our environment.  Thanks for reminding me
> that I need to dig in to this one again.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Toby <toby.percival@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Reply-To: *< thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> *Date: *Fri, 18 May 2007 10:38:33 +0100
> *To: *<thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx   <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> *Subject: *[THIN] Re: Profiles on Citrix
>
> 45 seconds is a long time. In fact, I have just timed logging in from a
> client pc, using a mandatory profile, located on the DC, and it took 57
> seconds. I repeated the same test on multiple servers, and the time averaged
> 59 seconds.
>
> 0-7 seconds - applying personal settings, registry settings
> 8-40 seconds - applying internet explorer branding policy
> 40-42 - applying personal settings
> 43 - 59 secs - applying login scripts
>
> System is PS4.5, Windows 2003 Server SP2, with IE7.
>
> I believe IE7 is responsible for slowing the time down by 15 seconds or
> more. I will investigate how I can improve the load time of the 'internet
> explorer branding policy'.
>
>
> On 5/18/07, *Angus Macdonald* <Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> It's hard to say with any certainty. Presumably your mandatory profile
> is being dragged from a network location whereas our defaults are stored
> locally on each server. Conversely, the flex profile loading takes a finite
> amount of time. I wouldn't imagine you'd see a great performance increase
> with flex profiles. 45 secs sounds like a lot of time though. Can you guess
> how much of that is profile loading and processing? In my (not considerable)
> experience, all sorts of things can slow logins.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]>
> *On Behalf Of *Toby
> *Sent:* 18 May 2007 10:12
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Profiles on Citrix
>
> Hi Angus,
>
> As we are using 95% mandatory profiles, the only issue I have
> encountered is performance. For example, a user logon takes approximately 45
> seconds, including login scripts etc.. Would you be able to guestimate how
> much time I could save by using flex?
>
> Thanks
>
> T.
>
> On 5/18/07, *Angus Macdonald* < Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  
<mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> We had all sorts of profile troubles before went with flex profiles.
> Everybody gets a default profile at login, which is then modified by loading
> the flex component and a bit of Kix -scripting for particular groups. At
> logout the flex settings are saved before the profile type is tweaked in the
> registry to make it appear as a mandatory profile, ensuring it's dropped as
> the session closes.
>
> Since starting down this route, our profile problems have vanished.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of *bbeckett2000@xxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* 17 May 2007 21:08
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject: *[THIN] Profiles on Citrix
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> Running PS 4.0 on Windows 2003 servers. About a dozen servers.
>
> We've been using roaming profiles straight out of the box, MS box, for a
> while now. They're ok but just the nature of the beast in how they work will
> cause their fair share of problems. I know there are several alternatives
> out there, flex profiles for one. Can anyone give me some feedback on your
> implementation and results for any solution, be it flex profiles or some
> other alternative? I've heard talk of some type of database or dynamic
> solution that *sounded *good.
>
>
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