[THIN] Re: Profile redirection

This is where the person implementing needs to ensure that they know
what needs to be changed / setup between logon and logoff so that
nothing gets lost, business testing obviously needs to be included as
well.

It's never a simple straight forward task such as double clicking on
an MSI and knowing that everything is going to go swimmingly, but at
the same time, although there can be some hassles, the benefits are
fantastic. There is a lot of documentation out there for it especially
for the applications that most of the people use. The rest of it's not
that hard to figure out if your mindset is right.

I personally haven't used Tricerat before, I have heard of it as a
product, but haven't seen it implemented.

Most of the time I find that the applications on TS / Citris that
users are using these days are your standard office apps (Lotus Notes,
MS Office), or store their data in databases so that they only have a
reference in an TSNAMES.ORA (Usually stored again on the network) or
alternatively have an ODBC reference.

This usually makes the implementation a lot simpler.

A more junior admin still needs to understand what they are doing,
agreed, if they don't know what they are doing enough, then yes,
something with a support contract with someone to fall back on is a
great idea, but anytime I have rolled out flex profiles, I have been
able to explain enough in a couple of hours to ensure that the people
I leave flex with don't need to call me. Maybe I have just been lucky
enough to deal with admins who have a good idea on what they are doing
and might just be short staffed.

Berny

(And let the out of office avalanche begin....)

On 29/12/2007, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I like flex a lot, but it add quite a bit of complexity to an already
> complex solution.   Many administrators still do not grasp the basic
> concepts of Terminal Server such as Shadow Keys, Application Compatibility
> Scripts, root drive (Compatibility Drive), usrlogn1.cmd vs usrlogn2.cmd,
> \Windows in the home directory, etc.  So given that,  it is difficult to
> teach a new administrator the concepts of profiling an application to
> determine which registry keys/file s to import and export when they do not
> have a clear understand of how profiles themselves work.
>
> As SBC becomes more prevalent it is also becoming more a commodity of which
> companies are having to higher lesser skilled admins as the higher skilled
> ones are already taken.
>
> Anyone can type "change user /install" in a command prompt and install an
> application.  And that's the type of thinking many managers have.  But what
> happens when something goes wrong,  terribly wrong?  Who's has the skill
> sets to troubleshoot and fix it then?  What about the "one" LOB app that's
> not working after it was installed because all the users are referencing the
> same .ini (not in the Windows directory) that also happens to have a station
> Id embedded in it.
>
> If you can get roaming profiles w/ folder redirection to work on its own
> (and for the most part it does) that's the best route to go.   At least if
> something goes wrong, you can call Microsoft for Support.
>
> Flex may be free, but there is no vendor support (not with out a consulting
> agreement).  If a company needs/wants to go down the flex path then it is
> preferable to point them to a third-party product (Tricerat for example) as
> then you'll have vendor support.
>
> If a company wants flex, does not want to spend money, and has the necessary
> skill sets then I will suggest login's flex profiles.
>
> Don't get me wrong, Login Consultant's flex profile is an great tool.  I
> know a few of the guys there too and they are great too.  It's been fun
> having this discussion with them as well.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 2:17 AM, Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > My vote for profiles (For medium to large installs) has always been
> > flex profiles.
> >
> > If the customer only has two servers, there really isn't a requirement
> > for flex from what I have seen, just decent profile management is
> > enough.
> >
> > If you have multiple Citrix servers, and more than say 50 users, I
> > would start looking at flex profiles for your Citrix servers, and
> > quite possibly your desktops. Roaming profiles in general are the root
> > of all evil IMHO, so flex tends to tidy this one up nicely.
> >
> >
> http://portal.loginconsultants.nl/forum/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=1144
> >
> > Berny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 28/12/2007, Medeiros, Jim <Jim.Medeiros@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Correct.  If you want to redirect then you are saying that you want to
> put
> > > them some place else (in effect).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Evan Mann
> > >  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:25 AM
> > >  To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >  Subject: [THIN] Profile redirection
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a pretty newbish question, but I just want to confirm.  If you
> are
> > > doing roaming profiles (be it for TS/Citrix or fat clients), you
> wouldn't
> > > want to redirect (via GPO) your My Documents/Desktops/Application Data
> into
> > > the location you are using for roaming profiles, correct?  If you did
> that,
> > > then those redirected folders would copy with the roaming profile?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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