[THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
- From: Douglas Brown <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:14:56 -0400
I don¹t know... I think RDP will become the standard and that is why I
really want Microsoft to buy Citrix, or forced to buy Citrix. Then maybe M$
will use ICA over RDP... But, it looks like even with net2display you still
need RDP for remote access (if I understood Rick¹s comments correctly).
I have a theory that RDP is a lot like HTTP. HTTP is not a great transport
protocol but people added on to it to the web a rich and dynamic place, all
on top of HTTP. From what little I know I think RDP will end up just like
it. net2display will be an addon (so to speak), Wyse Tcx is already a
add-on (so to speak), Provision is doing some amazing stuff with enhancing
RDP... But the base is RDP just like the web is HTTP and just like ajax
gives us a VERY rich and dynamic world over HTTP protocols like net2display
will do the same for RDP. We will see... We will see.
But, in the mean time, it is fun to watch and learn....
On 6/7/08 3:54 PM, "Merino, Ormond" <Ormond_Merino@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Maybe they'll license ALP integrate with VDM until net2display is ready? And
> leverage the Wyse Tcx extensions as well?
>
> MS owns the platform and should be taking a leading role with developing the
> remoting protocol in my humble opinion.
>
>
> Regards,
> Ormond Merino
>
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat Jun 07 14:17:00 2008
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
> Of course... But net2display is vdi or helps vdi, right???
>
> I think vmware is doing something with rdp and they don¹t want anyone to know.
> They have to be... RDP sucks as a remoting protocol for VDI. I¹m sorry but
> it does. There is not many people that love Vmware¹s VDM more than me but it
> breaks when I use it as I have to use RDP (use it over anything but a LAN and
> even then it sucks for anything intensive)
>
> Vmware is not dumb, they need a fix... The need to do something and
> net2display could be an answer but Vmware can¹t wait 2 years for it...
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
>
> On 6/7/08 2:08 PM, "Greg Reese" <gareese@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I don't care what VMWare marketing spin says, EMC is against anything that
>> isn't ESX or VDI.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Douglas Brown <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Great question. I want to learn more myself. Everything I read about it is
>>> good. The big problem I've been told about it is that the big boy
>>> (Microsoft, Vmware, Citrix) don't want anything to do with it and that
>>> because of this it will not get the buyoff it needs to more of a standarized
>>> remoting protocol. I would be interested to know what you guys this of
>>> this too? Again, this is what I'm told and I can think of a few reasons
>>> Microsoft and Citrix would not like it but I don't know why Vmware would be
>>> against it.
>>>
>>> Thanks. This is a great topic.... A beefy remoting protocol is really
>>> needed...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/7/08 12:26 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't found any more detail information about Net2Display, do you have
>>>> any links that might show an implementation or at least the planned feature
>>>> set and performance characteristics?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve Greenberg
>>>>
>>>> Thin Client Computing
>>>>
>>>> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>>>>
>>>> Scottsdale, AZ 85266
>>>>
>>>> (602) 432-8649
>>>>
>>>> www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> <www.thinclient.net
>>>> <http://www.thinclient.net> >
>>>>
>>>> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <http://steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <http://thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Mack
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:21 AM
>>>> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <http://thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [THIN] Re: Pano VDI Solution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Panologic and also Teradici have a hardware remoting protocol that has
>>>> completely transparent hardware (graphics, keyboard/mouse, USB etc)
>>>> "redirection". This means that multimedia performance and just about
>>>> everything else will be as good as on a PC, at least for LAN-based thin
>>>> clients. The good news for hardware manufacturers is that the "back-end"
>>>> systems are blade PCs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The largest single drawback with a Panalogic/Teradici type solution is the
>>>> hardware support required at both ends, and the fact that the protocol is
>>>> proprietary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remote/WAN access is still going to be a problem with stuff like latency
>>>> etc but that may very well be handled by the new VESA Net2Display protocol
>>>> which will handle LAN clients as well. If Net2Display takes off, the
>>>> relevance of RDP and ICA could become questionable. Since Teradici are
>>>> heavily involved with Net2Display, it's probably a good guess that they
>>>> will soon have Net2Display support in their hardware. That makes it
>>>> non-proprietary and may well point to the future of thin clients.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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