I see a lot of people saying to go with Symantec. Since I've used it for 5 years, I know a lot about it, and I figured I'd offer up my reasons for not continuing to use it. The product has changed VERY little in 5 years, some of that is good, some of that is bad. Feature wise, compared to what Trend, McAfee, and Sophos offer (what I've demo in the past 12-15 months) it is a good 2 years behind. Performance in terms of keeping systems clean, I think they all work almost equally as well. Deployment wise, it works fairly well, but Symantec is a horrible CPU hog, even when it's working 100% properly. It's horrendous on a system when it does scheduled scans. They still do not support an official daily update of virus defs, you need to use an unsupported script. They have no way to do micro updates on the A/V software itself, which was a huge issue when 10.0.0 released. 3-4 weeks later, 10.0.1 came out to address some major customer complaints to the spyware side of the product. This was the last straw for me, and is why I'm ditching the product. The lack of a official daily dat update, and them, frequently, being the last of the major A/V vendors to update DATs when there is a new threat is enough reason to drop it. I've used the product through 4 major versions now, and some basic features I'd expect in an enterprise level product have still not made it in. Sales and SE's say "it's been discussed and may make it at some future date". As usual, do your due diligence and test the product for yourself. As for me, I'm going to try McAfee. Many of you have commented on major problems, and a few people I probed never got back to me on what version/patch level of the product they have used. Past experiences are not always accurate because products change, and people are not always on the current revisions, but that goes for every product. Given the extremely small cost, and my positive demo of the product, as well as positive feedback from others polled, I'm going to give it a shot. If I gives me major headaches, I can still change and will have not have "wasted" a lot of money. Since it's my first choice in terms of functionality, I'd hate to spend 2x much, and not know that I may have been happy and pleased with my first choice. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of richard van beers Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:54 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users As a European, buying Trend seems impossible. "Contact reseller", "reseller unavailable" No prize listings, etc. More searching.. found a "premium partner" with an actual "buy" link. Its going to nl.trend-micro.eu, click on purchase, back to locating a reseller... As a side-note, ye olde McAfee 4.5 still works like I want it. Its still updated with an auto ftp script, its deployed with an autologin script. Never had issues with it. Ah, and no subscription fees. I wont select McAfee again, since I hated the 5 and 6 products. But symantec? I guess I should try those again. For now im playing Norman antivirus, small, cheap. So far it works well with Exchange and TS'ses where we have it. On 9/13/05, Jim Kerr <jim@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > My personal favorites are Symantec and Trend. McAfee is garbage IMHO. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bray, Donovan (ESC) > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:58 PM > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users > > > I've had the same experience with McAfee, we then used CA that we had > licensed via Novell, then attempted a migration to Panda (what a > joke), And finally decided that it was worth the money and went with Symantec. > > CA's centralized management while it has it, isn't very good. > Unicenter had been tried and discarded, the only thing this employer > had kept was the CA AV. We are now deploying Landesk for workstation > management and Symantec Corp for AV. I've never had an opportunity to > try Trend so I can't comment on it, though I've heard some good things about it. > > ________________________________ > From: Steve Snyder [mailto:kwajalein@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:10 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users > > > We use McAfee on about 1600 desktops with epo - it's truly the most > pervasive virus I've ever seen. On the client it is a major cpu hog, > causes lots of apps to run funny including ica client v9 (greg can > shed more light on this), there's a known issue with crapping out the > search function on 2000/xp (maybe they'll fix it some day), in short, > it chokes your PC into lethargy just like a virus would. I'd dump it > in a heartbeat for Symantec or Trend if I was allowed to. I've heard > reports that McAfee eats chldren too, but I've yet to confirm those. > > I've always had decent luck deploying both trend and symantec - it's > been a couple of years since I've used them but back then Symantec > gave you much more granular control over the clients than Trend did. > Both behaved well on the client. Symentec was easier to push out, > Trend had to be installed at the desktop (remember, that was a couple > of years ago, it may be different now). > > As an alternative, some people like CA eTrust, but I've no clue as to > what the centralized management is like. Considering that they sell > Unicenter, you'd think that they have it covered. > > > On 9/10/05, Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: > > > > That's probably why. SMB products are typically priced much > > cheaper, even > if they are the same exact thing. My prices are not for the SMB Suite. > > > > I'm surprised you can license an SMB product up in the 1000's of users.. > seems unusual. > > > > ________________________________ > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:56 PM > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users > > > > > > > > > > Trend SMB > > > > Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I'll check into it, but a quick internet search shows similar > > pricing to > what Insight gave me. Exactly what products were covered under > $5/user? I am not educational or government. > > > > Trend also told me there was a 5% price increase as of Sept 1. My > > prices > were given in August. > > > > ________________________________ > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:22 PM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users > > > > > > > > Maybe there is a better break for education pricing but we got trend > > at $5 > a user and Mcaffee was charging $17 as of last year. Check with CDW > (or > CDW-G) if you are governemt. Best to check with a different vendor. > > > > > > Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I'm in a competitive upgrade situation, and McAfee is half the cost. > > For > outright licenses, I'd assume it would be similar. The price levels > only change by $1-2/seat at the 1001+ level. This is pricing from > Insight > > > > McAfee ePO+VirusScan (no antispyware or exchange) > - 501+ = 6.33/seat > > Trend OfficeScan Client/Server Edition (includes control manager > > basic, no > damage cleanup) - 501+ = $12.24/seat > > > > Infact, for Trend OfficeScan Client/Server/Messaging (same as above, > > add > Exchange product) it's $23/seat for 501+ and for less then that, > $19.28/seat I can get McAfee ePO+VirusScan+Antispyware+Groupshield. > > > > I guess it's possible McAfee is just undercutting everyone > > drastically on > a competitive upgrade price. > > > > ________________________________ > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:08 PM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users > > > > > > > > Trend is also far less expensive per user. > > > > Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Trying to find out how people have deployed OfficeScan to a large > > office > area network. I'm going to buy McAfee or Trend, so far McAfee is in > my favor because of agent based methods I have 80 offices, 1200 users > (alwyas > expanding) with Symantec Enterprise A/V. They deploy as follows: 1 > master server for everything, sub servers can be deployed at other > sites so clients can pull updates from those servers, instead of > across WAN links to the master server. > > > > Both Trend and McAfee seem to have similar approaches in setup. 1 > > master > server with options for deployment poitns, which is basically a > location the masrter server updates, then you set clients to those > deployment points to get their updates. I do not want clients all > updating to my master server for bandwidth issues. > > > > My trend SE recommended I pout an officescan server in every site, > > instead > of 1 officescan server, with 80 deployment points. Some of the > functionality of OfficeScan server requires MSDE and/orSQL, which I'm > not deloying at every site. So when I got off the call with the SE, > my interest in trend dwindled some. > > > > I've talked to 1 person on the list who has around 1200 users per > > server > (said trend recommends 1000 max). He does all deployments from that 1 > PC, so it's not exactly how I plan to operate, but it shows me the SE > I spoke with at Trend's recommendation wasn't exactly necessary. > > > > I'm debating towards Trend or McAfee+ePO, and so far McAfee is on > > top > becaue ePO is agent based which assists greatly in updating. > > ________________________________ > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On > Behalf Of Foote, Eric > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:54 AM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users > > > > > > > > We have over 8,000 users on the whole Trend Suite. > > > > Send me a note off list with any specific questions that you have. > > > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: > > thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of Evan Mann > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:03 AM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] OT: Question for Trend A/V users > > > > > > > > Do any of the people on the list use Trend OfficeScan on client > > and/or > server in a wide area deployment across many offices? 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