[THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users

As a European, buying Trend seems impossible. "Contact reseller",
"reseller unavailable" No prize listings, etc. More searching.. found
a "premium partner" with an actual "buy" link. Its going to
nl.trend-micro.eu, click on purchase, back to locating a reseller...

As a side-note, ye olde McAfee 4.5 still works like I want it. Its
still updated with an auto ftp script, its deployed with an autologin
script.
Never had issues with it. Ah, and no subscription fees.

I wont select McAfee again, since I hated the 5 and 6 products. But
symantec? I guess I should try those again.

For now im playing Norman antivirus, small, cheap. So far it works
well with Exchange and TS'ses where we have it.

On 9/13/05, Jim Kerr <jim@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  
> My personal favorites are Symantec and Trend.  McAfee is garbage IMHO.
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Bray, Donovan (ESC) 
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:58 PM 
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users 
> 
>  
> I've had the same experience with McAfee, we then used CA that we had
> licensed via Novell, then attempted a migration to Panda (what a joke), And
> finally decided that it was worth the money and went with Symantec. 
>   
> CA's centralized management while it has it, isn't very good. Unicenter had
> been tried and discarded, the only thing this employer had kept was the CA
> AV.  We are now deploying Landesk for workstation management and Symantec
> Corp for AV.  I've never had an opportunity to try Trend so I can't comment
> on it, though I've heard some good things about it. 
>   
>  ________________________________
>  From: Steve Snyder [mailto:kwajalein@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:10 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
> 
>  
> We use McAfee on about 1600 desktops with epo - it's truly the most
> pervasive virus I've ever seen. On the client it is a major cpu hog, causes
> lots of apps to run funny including ica client v9 (greg can shed more light
> on this), there's a known issue with crapping out the search function on
> 2000/xp (maybe they'll fix it some day), in short, it chokes your PC into
> lethargy just like a virus would. I'd dump it in a heartbeat for Symantec or
> Trend if I was allowed to. I've heard reports that McAfee eats chldren too,
> but I've yet to confirm those.
> 
> I've always had decent luck deploying both trend and symantec - it's been a
> couple of years since I've used them but back then Symantec gave you much
> more granular control over the clients than Trend did. Both behaved well on
> the client. Symentec was easier to push out, Trend had to be  installed at
> the desktop (remember, that was a couple of years ago, it may be different
> now).
> 
> As an alternative, some people like CA eTrust, but I've no clue as to what
> the centralized management is like. Considering that they sell Unicenter,
> you'd think that they have it covered.
> 
>  
> On 9/10/05, Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: 
> > 
> > That's probably why.  SMB products are typically priced much cheaper, even
> if they are the same exact thing.  My prices are not for the SMB Suite. 
> >   
> > I'm surprised you can license an SMB product up in the 1000's of users..
> seems unusual.
> > 
> > ________________________________
>  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:56 PM 
> > 
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Trend SMB
> > 
> > Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> > 
> > I'll check into it, but a quick internet search shows similar pricing to
> what Insight gave me. Exactly what products were covered under $5/user?  I
> am not educational or government. 
> >   
> > Trend also told me there was a 5% price increase as of Sept 1.  My prices
> were given in August.
> > 
> > ________________________________
>  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:22 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe there is a better break for education pricing but we got trend at $5
> a user and Mcaffee was charging $17 as of last year.  Check with CDW (or
> CDW-G) if you are governemt.  Best to check with a different vendor. 
> > 
> > 
> > Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> > 
> > I'm in a competitive upgrade situation, and McAfee is half the cost.  For
> outright licenses, I'd assume it would be similar.  The price levels only
> change by $1-2/seat at the 1001+ level.  This is pricing from Insight 
> >   
> > McAfee ePO+VirusScan (no antispyware or exchange)
> - 501+ = 6.33/seat 
> > Trend OfficeScan Client/Server Edition (includes control manager basic, no
> damage cleanup) - 501+ = $12.24/seat 
> > 
> > Infact, for Trend OfficeScan Client/Server/Messaging (same as above, add
> Exchange product) it's $23/seat for 501+ and for less then that, $19.28/seat
> I can get McAfee ePO+VirusScan+Antispyware+Groupshield. 
> > 
> > I guess it's possible McAfee is just undercutting everyone drastically on
> a competitive upgrade price. 
> >   
> > ________________________________
>  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:08 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Trend is also far less expensive per user.
> > 
> > Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> > 
> > Trying to find out how people have deployed OfficeScan to a large office
> area network.  I'm going to buy McAfee or Trend, so far McAfee is in my
> favor because of agent based methods  I have 80 offices, 1200 users (alwyas
> expanding) with Symantec Enterprise A/V.  They deploy as follows: 1 master
> server for everything, sub servers can be deployed at other sites so clients
> can pull updates from those servers, instead of across WAN links to the
> master server. 
> > 
> > Both Trend and McAfee seem to have similar approaches in setup. 1  master
> server with options for deployment poitns, which is basically a location the
> masrter server updates, then you set clients to those deployment points to
> get their updates.  I do not want clients all updating to my master server
> for bandwidth issues. 
> >   
> > My trend SE recommended I pout an officescan server in every site, instead
> of 1 officescan server, with 80 deployment points.  Some of the
> functionality of OfficeScan server requires MSDE and/orSQL, which I'm not
> deloying at every site.  So when I got off the call with the SE, my interest
> in trend dwindled some. 
> > 
> > I've talked to 1 person on the list who has around 1200 users per server
> (said trend recommends 1000 max).  He does all deployments from that 1 PC,
> so it's not exactly how I plan to operate, but it shows me the SE I spoke
> with at Trend's recommendation wasn't exactly necessary. 
> >   
> > I'm debating towards Trend or McAfee+ePO, and so far McAfee is on top
> becaue ePO is agent based which assists greatly in updating. 
> > ________________________________
>  
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Foote, Eric
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:54 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > We have over 8,000 users on the whole Trend Suite. 
> >   
> > Send me a note off list with any specific questions that you have. 
> >   
> > Eric 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Evan Mann
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:03 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] OT: Question for Trend A/V users
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Do any of the people on the list use Trend OfficeScan on client and/or
> server in a wide area deployment across many offices?  I'm trying to get
> some real world info on large deployments.  
> 
>
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