My personal favorites are Symantec and Trend. McAfee is garbage IMHO. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bray, Donovan (ESC) To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users I've had the same experience with McAfee, we then used CA that we had licensed via Novell, then attempted a migration to Panda (what a joke), And finally decided that it was worth the money and went with Symantec. CA's centralized management while it has it, isn't very good. Unicenter had been tried and discarded, the only thing this employer had kept was the CA AV. We are now deploying Landesk for workstation management and Symantec Corp for AV. I've never had an opportunity to try Trend so I can't comment on it, though I've heard some good things about it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Steve Snyder [mailto:kwajalein@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:10 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users We use McAfee on about 1600 desktops with epo - it's truly the most pervasive virus I've ever seen. On the client it is a major cpu hog, causes lots of apps to run funny including ica client v9 (greg can shed more light on this), there's a known issue with crapping out the search function on 2000/xp (maybe they'll fix it some day), in short, it chokes your PC into lethargy just like a virus would. I'd dump it in a heartbeat for Symantec or Trend if I was allowed to. I've heard reports that McAfee eats chldren too, but I've yet to confirm those. I've always had decent luck deploying both trend and symantec - it's been a couple of years since I've used them but back then Symantec gave you much more granular control over the clients than Trend did. Both behaved well on the client. Symentec was easier to push out, Trend had to be installed at the desktop (remember, that was a couple of years ago, it may be different now). As an alternative, some people like CA eTrust, but I've no clue as to what the centralized management is like. Considering that they sell Unicenter, you'd think that they have it covered. On 9/10/05, Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: That's probably why. SMB products are typically priced much cheaper, even if they are the same exact thing. My prices are not for the SMB Suite. I'm surprised you can license an SMB product up in the 1000's of users.. seems unusual. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:56 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users Trend SMB Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I'll check into it, but a quick internet search shows similar pricing to what Insight gave me. Exactly what products were covered under $5/user? I am not educational or government. Trend also told me there was a 5% price increase as of Sept 1. My prices were given in August. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:22 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users Maybe there is a better break for education pricing but we got trend at $5 a user and Mcaffee was charging $17 as of last year. Check with CDW (or CDW-G) if you are governemt. Best to check with a different vendor. Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I'm in a competitive upgrade situation, and McAfee is half the cost. For outright licenses, I'd assume it would be similar. The price levels only change by $1-2/seat at the 1001+ level. This is pricing from Insight McAfee ePO+VirusScan (no antispyware or exchange) - 501+ = 6.33/seat Trend OfficeScan Client/Server Edition (includes control manager basic, no damage cleanup) - 501+ = $12.24/seat Infact, for Trend OfficeScan Client/Server/Messaging (same as above, add Exchange product) it's $23/seat for 501+ and for less then that, $19.28/seat I can get McAfee ePO+VirusScan+Antispyware+Groupshield. I guess it's possible McAfee is just undercutting everyone drastically on a competitive upgrade price. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:08 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users Trend is also far less expensive per user. Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Trying to find out how people have deployed OfficeScan to a large office area network. I'm going to buy McAfee or Trend, so far McAfee is in my favor because of agent based methods I have 80 offices, 1200 users (alwyas expanding) with Symantec Enterprise A/V. They deploy as follows: 1 master server for everything, sub servers can be deployed at other sites so clients can pull updates from those servers, instead of across WAN links to the master server. Both Trend and McAfee seem to have similar approaches in setup. 1 master server with options for deployment poitns, which is basically a location the masrter server updates, then you set clients to those deployment points to get their updates. I do not want clients all updating to my master server for bandwidth issues. My trend SE recommended I pout an officescan server in every site, instead of 1 officescan server, with 80 deployment points. Some of the functionality of OfficeScan server requires MSDE and/orSQL, which I'm not deloying at every site. So when I got off the call with the SE, my interest in trend dwindled some. I've talked to 1 person on the list who has around 1200 users per server (said trend recommends 1000 max). He does all deployments from that 1 PC, so it's not exactly how I plan to operate, but it shows me the SE I spoke with at Trend's recommendation wasn't exactly necessary. I'm debating towards Trend or McAfee+ePO, and so far McAfee is on top becaue ePO is agent based which assists greatly in updating. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Foote, Eric Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:54 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users We have over 8,000 users on the whole Trend Suite. Send me a note off list with any specific questions that you have. Eric -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Evan Mann Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:03 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] OT: Question for Trend A/V users Do any of the people on the list use Trend OfficeScan on client and/or server in a wide area deployment across many offices? I'm trying to get some real world info on large deployments.