[THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users

  • From: "Jim Kerr" <jim@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:47:36 -0400

My personal favorites are Symantec and Trend.  McAfee is garbage IMHO.
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  From: Bray, Donovan (ESC) 
  To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 7:58 PM
  Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users


  I've had the same experience with McAfee, we then used CA that we had 
licensed via Novell, then attempted a migration to Panda (what a joke), And 
finally decided that it was worth the money and went with Symantec.

  CA's centralized management while it has it, isn't very good. Unicenter had 
been tried and discarded, the only thing this employer had kept was the CA AV.  
We are now deploying Landesk for workstation management and Symantec Corp for 
AV.  I've never had an opportunity to try Trend so I can't comment on it, 
though I've heard some good things about it.


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  From: Steve Snyder [mailto:kwajalein@xxxxxxxxx] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:10 AM
  To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users


  We use McAfee on about 1600 desktops with epo - it's truly the most pervasive 
virus I've ever seen. On the client it is a major cpu hog, causes lots of apps 
to run funny including ica client v9 (greg can shed more light on this), 
there's a known issue with crapping out the search function on 2000/xp (maybe 
they'll fix it some day), in short, it chokes your PC into lethargy just like a 
virus would. I'd dump it in a heartbeat for Symantec or Trend if I was allowed 
to. I've heard reports that McAfee eats chldren too, but I've yet to confirm 
those.

  I've always had decent luck deploying both trend and symantec - it's been a 
couple of years since I've used them but back then Symantec gave you much more 
granular control over the clients than Trend did. Both behaved well on the 
client. Symentec was easier to push out, Trend had to be  installed at the 
desktop (remember, that was a couple of years ago, it may be different now).

  As an alternative, some people like CA eTrust, but I've no clue as to what 
the centralized management is like. Considering that they sell Unicenter, you'd 
think that they have it covered.


  On 9/10/05, Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: 
    That's probably why.  SMB products are typically priced much cheaper, even 
if they are the same exact thing.  My prices are not for the SMB Suite.

    I'm surprised you can license an SMB product up in the 1000's of users.. 
seems unusual.



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    From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com
    Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:56 PM 

    To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users



    Trend SMB

    Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
      I'll check into it, but a quick internet search shows similar pricing to 
what Insight gave me. Exactly what products were covered under $5/user?  I am 
not educational or government.

      Trend also told me there was a 5% price increase as of Sept 1.  My prices 
were given in August.


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      From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com
      Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:22 PM
      To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users


      Maybe there is a better break for education pricing but we got trend at 
$5 a user and Mcaffee was charging $17 as of last year.  Check with CDW (or 
CDW-G) if you are governemt.  Best to check with a different vendor.


      Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
        I'm in a competitive upgrade situation, and McAfee is half the cost.  
For outright licenses, I'd assume it would be similar.  The price levels only 
change by $1-2/seat at the 1001+ level.  This is pricing from Insight

        McAfee ePO+VirusScan (no antispyware or exchange) - 501+ = 6.33/seat
        Trend OfficeScan Client/Server Edition (includes control manager basic, 
no damage cleanup) - 501+ = $12.24/seat

        Infact, for Trend OfficeScan Client/Server/Messaging (same as above, 
add Exchange product) it's $23/seat for 501+ and for less then that, 
$19.28/seat I can get McAfee ePO+VirusScan+Antispyware+Groupshield.

        I guess it's possible McAfee is just undercutting everyone drastically 
on a competitive upgrade price.
         

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    From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com
    Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:08 PM
    To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users


    Trend is also far less expensive per user.

    Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
      Trying to find out how people have deployed OfficeScan to a large office 
area network.  I'm going to buy McAfee or Trend, so far McAfee is in my favor 
because of agent based methods  I have 80 offices, 1200 users (alwyas 
expanding) with Symantec Enterprise A/V.  They deploy as follows: 1 master 
server for everything, sub servers can be deployed at other sites so clients 
can pull updates from those servers, instead of across WAN links to the master 
server.

      Both Trend and McAfee seem to have similar approaches in setup. 1  master 
server with options for deployment poitns, which is basically a location the 
masrter server updates, then you set clients to those deployment points to get 
their updates.  I do not want clients all updating to my master server for 
bandwidth issues.

      My trend SE recommended I pout an officescan server in every site, 
instead of 1 officescan server, with 80 deployment points.  Some of the 
functionality of OfficeScan server requires MSDE and/orSQL, which I'm not 
deloying at every site.  So when I got off the call with the SE, my interest in 
trend dwindled some.

    I've talked to 1 person on the list who has around 1200 users per server 
(said trend recommends 1000 max).  He does all deployments from that 1 PC, so 
it's not exactly how I plan to operate, but it shows me the SE I spoke with at 
Trend's recommendation wasn't exactly necessary.

    I'm debating towards Trend or McAfee+ePO, and so far McAfee is on top 
becaue ePO is agent based which assists greatly in updating. 

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    From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Foote, Eric
    Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:54 AM
    To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Question for Trend A/V users


    We have over 8,000 users on the whole Trend Suite.

    Send me a note off list with any specific questions that you have.

    Eric
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      From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On 
Behalf Of Evan Mann
      Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:03 AM
      To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [THIN] OT: Question for Trend A/V users


      Do any of the people on the list use Trend OfficeScan on client and/or 
server in a wide area deployment across many offices?  I'm trying to get some 
real world info on large deployments.  


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