[THIN] Re: OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange twist)

Vince,

Chris and Joe just nailed it perfectly!

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Chris Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:30 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange
twist)



Yes, the reason why your Exchange services are not starting is because
the service account could not be authenticated to the domain because the
original PDC's Netlogon service didn't start.  If the Netlogon service
is started, then no one can authenticate to the domain.  Look at the
first article that was provided by Joe, and that will fix your problem.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Vince Tan
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:07 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange
twist)


Yeah, I was going with that scenario at first.  But it is no biggie,  I
can always rebuilt the BDC since they are all spare machine for now.
I'm just wondering if the whole issue with the PDC and BDC is the cause
of my Exchange not starting.

Vince

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shonk [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:09 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange
twist)



Actually there is a "Demote" option...  Anyways, here are two Q Article
= detailing how to demote a PDC to a BDC when there are two PDCs

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;167248

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=3Dkb;en-us;112549

-----Original Message-----
From: Pavlo Ignatusha [mailto:pignatusha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:53 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange
twist)



Yep Chris was definitely right.

but I think you could still correct your "multiple PDC" problem without
going back too far. I never had this problem myself but here what I'd =
do:

Because there is no option to "Demote to BDC" in Server Manager you need
= to have a BDC around to do the promotion and this way have your PDC =
demoted. At the worst case scenario you can take your exchange PDC out
to the other physical network (perhabs a hub) take a PC workstation,
build a quick = BDC with same name and IP as your current (new) PDC and
promote this PC BDC = to be a PDC on this little network. As a result of
this your exchange box = will become a BDC and you may try to plug it
back into your real network.

Hope this helps
Pav



-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Vince Tan
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:30 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange
twist)


Hi Pav,  I think Chris pointed out the mistake that I made.  I should =
have left the old PDC running when I promoted the new BDC to a PDC.
That = might be the caused of the problem.

Vince

-----Original Message-----
From: Pavlo Ignatusha [mailto:pignatusha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:24 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange =
twist)



Vince,

Did you power your old PDC on being hooked up to the network or not? If
= you were plugged in you had 2 PDC on your network at a time. One of
these 2 should became a PDC or your network is screwed. Check it in the
Server Manager and demote your old PDC to BDC for sure. Check the Event
Viewer = on your exchange box for services that did not start as well to
find the dependancy.

Now I think you could demote your exchange to BDC pretty safely for a =
couple of reasons: 1. You can always promote it back if something does't
work = 2. Exchange 5.5 doesn't need to run on PDC. Moreover I don't
think it is recommended. You have it like that only because of small
Business = Server.

Hope this helps
Pav

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Vince Tan
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:35 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade PART 2 (Exchange twist)


Hello again,

After getting all the advise (by the way, thanks to all),  I decided to
start my upgrade process.  I installed 2 new BDC (machine b and c) to my
= NT4 domain, then shut down my PDC which is also my exchange server.  I
then promoted one of the new BDC (machine C) to a PDC, then took it off
line = and just stored it.  The next step was promoting the other new
BDC (machine =
B)
to a PDC.  Everything works so far.  So I proceeding turning on my old =
PDC (the one with exchange running on it) thinking that I could get
exchange running again and then demote the machine to a BDC.  After it
started, Exchange did not start at all.  It gave me an Event ID 7001
error for = all 5 exchange services.

Event ID: 7001
Source: Service Control Manager
Type: Error
Description:
The Microsoft Exchange Event Service service depends on the Microsoft
Exchange Information Store service which failed to start because of the
following error:

The dependency service or group failed to start.


Event ID: 7001
Source: Service Control Manager
Type:Error
Description:
The Microsoft Exchange Message Transfer Agent service depends on the
Microsoft Exchange Directory service which failed to start because of =
the following error:

The dependency service or group failed to start.


Event ID: 7001
Source: Service Control Manager
Type: Error
Description:
The Microsoft Exchange Information Store service depends on the =
Microsoft Exchange Directory service which failed to start because of
the = following
error:

The dependency service or group failed to start.


Event ID: 7001
Source: Service Control Manager
Type:Error
Description:
The Microsoft Directory service depends on the Microsoft Exchange System
Attendant service which failed to start because of the following error:

The dependency service or group failed to start.


Event ID: 7001
Source: Service Control Manager
Type:Error
Description:
The Microsoft Exchange System Attendant service depends on the Netlogon
service which failed to start because of the following error: The =
service have returned a service specific error code.

I have not demoted this machine so there are 2 PDC.  I am afraid to =
demote this because I can't really afford to have exchange down.  Could
having = the 2 PDC be the cause of the exchange problem?

Below was my original message.

Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

Vince



From: Vince Tan [mailto:VinceT@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:14 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] OT: NT4 Domain to W2k AD upgrade advise



Hi everyone,  I'm taking the leap to active directory finally so I'm =
trying to plan out what is the best strategy to approach this task.  My
network consist of only one NT4 domain, a PDC (NT4 Small Business
Edition with
Exchange) and a BDC (NT4 Server).  I also have a few NT4 Servers and a
couple of W2k servers running as member server.  I also plan to upgrade
= my Exchange 5.5 to 2000.  So here is what I am thinking of doing:

1.  Because the PDC and BDC are both running in old HP LC3 boxes, I can
= not reuse them or upgrade them so I am going to get a couple of new
boxes. = 2. Plan to making one of the new box (machine A)  a new BDC to
the NT4 = Domain 3.  Promote the new BDC to a PDC 4.  Upgrade this new
PDC to Win2K DC 5. Install the 2nd new box (machine B) and make it a
Win2K DC and sync with = the other DC 6.  Demote machine A from being a
DC and then remove it from = the network completely 7.  Install fresh
W2k server on machine A and make it = a DC, then sync to machine B 8.
Install exchange in machine A

Is this the right approach?  Do I need to take it off my production =
network while doing all the upgrade or can I just do the upgrade on my
actual network since none of my existing server will be touched except
for the = old PDC which will have to be taken off line and demote to BDC

Thanks for any advise

Vince





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