One thing is clear though, to be fair, HP and IBM innovate server designs and new architectures. DELL realistically is a commodity shop that produces "me too" products. They are perfectly good products and often at a better price, but they really don't innovate much and offer more limited management and provisioning capabilities. Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 www.thinclient.net steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Mucher Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:41 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Dell PE 1855 Blade Servers Jim, You make some good points - but! (My memory's not so good, so correct me if I am wrong...) Hasn't HP been in and out of the PC biz? Did they have Intel servers for a long time or just the minis (e.g. 9000)? Are all HP servers now from Compaq? And I think Dell is older than you think - remember PCs Limited? I had one 20 years ago... (admittedly not server-class, tho...) When DID servers as we know them start? Thanks, Mark _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Dell PE 1855 Blade Servers All I can say is this. When I make a decision it is an intelligent and informed one. One of the largest criterion for a decision I make when it comes to hardware and software(or any product for that matter) is the companies reputation in the industry, their experience with a given architecture, how long have they been and around and how long do I expect will they be around in the future. It is a rarity that I have made a poor decision. My ISP has never gone belly up, my cell phone company has never changed hands and neither have my utility companies I choose. Compaq, Dec have changed hands, as have gateway and a myriad of other hardware vendors. IBM has always been IBM and HP has always been HP. Both companies have been around a lot longer then Dell. IBM has been around since the early 1900's, HP has been around since the late 1930's and Dell only came onto the sc ene about 15 years or so ago. They have a long way to go before they catch up to IBM or HP. JK