[THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix

That's why you choose a solution like Softricity.  We aren't concerenced
with .NET funcationality inhouse but it is nice to know this product will
support my needs if I want something like passport authentication.  They
allow you to add .NET functionality to your exisitig apps without rewriting
any code.  Slick stuff to say the least.  Microsoft is behind them on this
initiative.  Take a look at their web page and you will see the link.

Justin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernd Harzog" <Bernd.Harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix


>
> Folks,
>
> This is going to take years. How many of you still have mainframe based
> applications that you publish out to users via a terminal emulator
> running on your Citrix Servers. How many of you have DOS applications,
> Win16 applications, etc.? How many of your have legacy 2-tier client
> server applications that were internally developed by some group of
> users, that talk to something like Btrieve or Foxpro as a database, and
> for which you have lost the source code? How many of you have Web based
> applications that make heavy use of ActiveX controls so you have to
> publish them out via Citrix because you cannot make your external users
> run your ActiveX controls on their computers. How many of you have all
> of the above?
>
> No paradigm shift or revolution, no matter how zealously marketed by the
> platform vendor behind it (Windows 3.1, Windows 95/98, Windows NT, DCOM,
> COM+, HTML clients, Java Clients, Java EJB servers, etc.) has ever
> succeeded in replacing what is already out there. The fact is that no
> one has the budget to go back and redevelop old stuff to the new
> standards, especially since there seems to be a new standard every
> couple of years. Web services will be a really cool way to build new
> applications. But, I am going to be retired from this industry and
> living on an island somewhere (I hope) before even 50% of the
> applications out there are .net based.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bernd Harzog
> CEO
> RTO Software
> 678-455-5506 x701
> bernd@xxxxxxxxxxx
> www.rtosoft.com
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Howarth [mailto:tom@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 10:38 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
>
>
> Too true,
>
> One UK based retailer are working with MS to go .Net but they estimate
> that it will take over 10 years to be fully .Net compliant.  Also I am
> still dealing with client that refuese to move from Winframe or
> wordprefect for dos because it does all that they want.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
> Sent: 28 February 2003 15:17
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
>
>
> Oh this is true. Web serviced applications WILL in the future, be the
> bomb. Of course I have heard that for 4 years now.
>
> And I still see DOS Apps on terminal services and of course how many of
> these app vendors (besides MS) are really going to move everything web
> based and how soon?
>
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> =3D20
> RapidApp
> Office 312.372.7188
> Mobile 312.961.2380
> email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> =3D20
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:08 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
>
>
>
> Good information, but I have people looking at it more from, "once we go
> web-services, there will be no need for Citrix, everything will be web
> based."
>
> Rephrase, Ron, that is GREAT info.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:02 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
>
>
>
> Lets talk about a few things here. I don't know if anyone else really
> has it running but I have it (RC2) in two clients using it both as an MS
> only env, and as a MetaFrame platform.=3D3D20
>
> Both locations are using it for some pre-prod stuff right now but there
> are some users using it. Limitations and or problems:
>
> 1st problem that hits everyone is lack of published app support. Nothing
> like it, it pretty much operates as it does now.
>
> 2- Licensing model is cool I like that Named user or per device (as it
> is now)
>
> 3- XP pro clients issued after the release date of 2003 Server will no
> longer have a terminal server cal built in. You have to buy it. (Typical
> MS pain)
>
> 4- MS Load Balancing, Coming on all version now. Only problem is that it
> is MS load balancing. It still does not do what a terminal server needs
> and look at current number of users logged on or at metrics that really
> matter to a Terminal Server.
>
> Of course MS LB'ing is also limited to 32 nodes MAX, and performance
> starts to go down above 20
>
> 5- If you use a Third Party load Balancer it gets better but still
> doesn't Match Citrix.
>
> 6- The session directory that is used for reconnecting clients to
> disconnected sessions IS cool. But it has two problems. 1- LB'ing routes
> users any where it feels like. Once the user is establishing a connect
> to a server the session directory is checked. IF they have an open
> session then the user basically cut off from that server and then a new
> RDP session is established with the original server. Of course this only
> happens after the LOGON is done on the first server since it needs your
> username and password...... Kinda Clunky if you ask me. The second
> problem with this is that you have to have Enterprise to use it.
> Standard server will not use the session directory but can host it for
> the farm.
>
> 8- The RDP client is basically the same one that comes with XP clients
> now, and the TSAC has changed very little, Of course with the RDP client
> you can save RDP files (if you look at them they look kinda like ICA
> files). The problem here is that the Active X control used by the TSAC
> wont use an RDP file. I had this wild idea of building RDP files and
> creating links to them the way we used to with ICA files.  Still working
> on this a bit now.
>
> Ron
> =3D3D20
>
>
>
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> =3D3D20
> RapidApp
> Office 312.372.7188
> Mobile 312.961.2380
> email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> =3D3D20
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:11 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] .NET and Citrix
>
>
>
> I need some help.
>
> I have people here beginning to discuss .NET quite heavily and how we
> won't need Citrix, once we go to .NET web based apps., etc.
>
> I have heard people talk about how Citrix will compliment those apps.
> Any input?
>
> Chad M. Schneider
> Technology Analyst II
> Curwood, Inc.
> 920-303-7609 - Office
> 920-909-7609 - Pager
>
>
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