[THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix

The pattern of usage will be different, plus the effects of link overload
wilbe different. I think you can probably squeeze more citrix users on the
same link without a noticeable effect, but I think the impact when you step
over the line will be greater on the citrix users.

Henry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
> 
> 
> 
> But in all fairness, from a bandwidth standpoint, and such, 
> running them
> through Citrix would still be more efficient, I would think.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:17 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
> 
> 
> 
> Oh this is true. Web serviced applications WILL in the future, be the
> bomb. Of course I have heard that for 4 years now.
> 
> And I still see DOS Apps on terminal services and of course 
> how many of
> these app vendors (besides MS) are really going to move everything web
> based and how soon?
> 
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> =20
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:08 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
> 
> 
> 
> Good information, but I have people looking at it more from, 
> "once we go
> web-services, there will be no need for Citrix, everything will be web
> based."
> 
> Rephrase, Ron, that is GREAT info.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:02 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: .NET and Citrix
> 
> 
> 
> Lets talk about a few things here. I don't know if anyone else really
> has it running but I have it (RC2) in two clients using it 
> both as an MS
> only env, and as a MetaFrame platform.=3D20
> 
> Both locations are using it for some pre-prod stuff right now 
> but there
> are some users using it. Limitations and or problems:
> 
> 1st problem that hits everyone is lack of published app 
> support. Nothing
> like it, it pretty much operates as it does now.
> 
> 2- Licensing model is cool I like that Named user or per device (as it
> is now)
> 
> 3- XP pro clients issued after the release date of 2003 Server will no
> longer have a terminal server cal built in. You have to buy 
> it. (Typical
> MS pain)
> 
> 4- MS Load Balancing, Coming on all version now. Only problem 
> is that it
> is MS load balancing. It still does not do what a terminal 
> server needs
> and look at current number of users logged on or at metrics 
> that really
> matter to a Terminal Server.
> 
> Of course MS LB'ing is also limited to 32 nodes MAX, and performance
> starts to go down above 20
> 
> 5- If you use a Third Party load Balancer it gets better but still
> doesn't Match Citrix.
> 
> 6- The session directory that is used for reconnecting clients to
> disconnected sessions IS cool. But it has two problems. 1- 
> LB'ing routes
> users any where it feels like. Once the user is establishing a connect
> to a server the session directory is checked. IF they have an open
> session then the user basically cut off from that server and 
> then a new
> RDP session is established with the original server. Of 
> course this only
> happens after the LOGON is done on the first server since it 
> needs your
> username and password...... Kinda Clunky if you ask me. The second
> problem with this is that you have to have Enterprise to use it.
> Standard server will not use the session directory but can host it for
> the farm.
> 
> 8- The RDP client is basically the same one that comes with XP clients
> now, and the TSAC has changed very little, Of course with the 
> RDP client
> you can save RDP files (if you look at them they look kinda like ICA
> files). The problem here is that the Active X control used by the TSAC
> wont use an RDP file. I had this wild idea of building RDP files and
> creating links to them the way we used to with ICA files.  
> Still working
> on this a bit now.
> 
> Ron
> =3D20
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> =3D20
> RapidApp
> Office 312.372.7188
> Mobile 312.961.2380
> email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> =3D20
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:11 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] .NET and Citrix
> 
> 
> 
> I need some help.
> 
> I have people here beginning to discuss .NET quite heavily and how we
> won't need Citrix, once we go to .NET web based apps., etc.
> 
> I have heard people talk about how Citrix will compliment those apps.
> Any input?
> 
> Chad M. Schneider
> Technology Analyst II
> Curwood, Inc.
> 920-303-7609 - Office
> 920-909-7609 - Pager
> 
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