[THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....

Did you ever look at Provision Networks? http://www.provisionnetworks.com
  How about advamced Print Manager.?. http://www.dabcc.com/apm/

Chris Grecsek <cgrecsek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                First off, our printing 
is cut and dry/simple?all windows clients are standard, clean desktops with a 
completely locked down version of Win XP. Nothing installed locally. Users come 
into a published desktop that is hosted in the datacenter via web interface. 
Printers are auto-created during login/based on what you have installed (either 
locally attached or networked/shared printers) on the local client. We don?t 
save printers in the user?s profile/published desktop. 
   
  Thinprint ? cost was substantial. Not a cheap solution. This is a very 
flexible product and great if you have some funky clients/difficult printing 
requirements. We don?t. There are a number of ways you can deploy it for either 
clientless setup, having local thinprint server, etc, etc. Like I said, lots of 
flexibility but each of the options had downsides and if we?re going to pay the 
high price we want everything fixed/better ? not a mostly lateral move. 
   
  You need to install a client on local clients ? there are some configs where 
you don?t have to do this, but again, tradeoffs. Since we do auto-creation, 
users were getting two sets of printers ? Citrix and Thinprint?i.e. confusion 
for clients. You also had to manipulate the local client (icon in the system 
tray) to get it just the way you wanted. Again, great flexibility but confusing 
for our users/didn?t work all the time. The fact that it didn?t work all the 
time put us in the same boat as Citrix?s UPD?and we were paying quite a bit 
more. We also didn?t like the way you had to manage the thinprint ports ? we 
saw a lot of manual work for each one of our Citrix servers?this product would 
have essentially caused us to have to ?silo? users to specific servers based on 
printing needs?this goes against our core thinking/scalability model of keeping 
things simple/dynamic. 
   
  As for Tricerat ? we had some test servers bluescreen as a result of using 
their solution. That was a pretty massive flag but we continued testing. In a 
nutshell the driverless printing was nice but you also had to install a client 
on every local machine and that meant additional support overhead/complicating 
the environment. We work in a WAN environment with no permanent connections to 
the workstations; we can?t use deployment tools so this is problematic. As 
compared to the UPD, the UPD works?kinda, but Tricert was working ? kinda, as 
well so again, we?re not making much progress in moving towards lowering 
costs/adding functionality/increasing stability. Oh yes, and there is an extra 
cost involved...   
   
  Believe me ? if we could find a product that fixed all of our printing issues 
(or at least 90%) of them ? we would buy it in a heartbeat as printing is the 
#1 headache with our model. I just don?t think the product exists?therefore ? 
we ride the UPD. 
   
  If anyone knows better ? please enlighten me! 
   
   
  Chris
   
   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Landin, Mark
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:01 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....

   
  Interesting. What problems did you see yourself introducing with a ThinPrint 
or a Simplify? Just curious.
   
    
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Chris Grecsek
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:46 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....
  Make sure you have the latest hotfixes?there are a few new ones that are 
directly related to the cpsvc.exe service (the one that bonks). The biggest 
thing we did to stabilize our environment was to force all printing to be done 
via the UPD (talking about 4.0 of course). 
   
  We looked at 3rd party printing solutions but when we did the full assessment 
we determined that we?d be solving some problems but really trading those for a 
new set of problems?and paying more money for those problems/confusing our 
clients. At the end of the day we just decided that the proper course was to 
ride the 4.0 UPD and hope that Citrix continues to stabilize/improve it.  
   
      
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  From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Schneider, Chad M
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:39 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....

   
  Having to restart the spooler?which does not always work successfully, which 
then requires a reboot.
   
  Chad Schneider
  Technology Analyst/Citrix Admin.
  Bemis Company, Inc.
  920-303-7609
   




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