[THIN] Re: MS Licensing of Office

It seems to me that they only need 15:

"The Office EULA requires you to acquire and dedicate a license for each 
Windows-based terminal (or any other device) on which Office will run, or from 
which Office will be accessed. 'Acquire and dedicate' means you will need to 
obtain a license for each device that is to run Office on a recurring basis."

You just have to say that 15 of the terminals are "office terminals."

"Dedicate a license for Office for every computer on which you plan to use 
Office."  where computer can = unix workstation, mac, Winterm, etc.  Scenario 1 
helps:

"Scenario 1:

A customer has 50 Windows-based workstation devices in a call center and would 
like to use Office XP on all these workstations. Two terminal servers support 
the 50 Windows-based workstations. The customer will need to acquire 50 Office 
licenses?one for each computer that will run Office. Even if a workstation is 
expected to run Office only infrequently, the customer will still need to 
acquire and dedicate an Office license for that workstation. If 20 of these 
workstation will never run Office, then the customer will only need to acquire 
30 licenses."

The last part is important.  Note that I *believe* that licensing is based off 
office XP, so 97pro might be a different licensing model --- read the EULA and 
it might be different.

In the event you find out that you really need to buy 15 more licenses, tell me 
where you get them, as I haven't figured out where to get office 97 pro 
licenses anymore.  And then, if you can't, and are worried, you could use 
OpenOffice, provided it can do what you need.  Our excel users can't use 
StarOffice/OpenOffice because it can't do some of the things they need to do.  
But StarOffice/OpenOffice seem a lot like office 97 sometimes.

bb,
adam

On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:53:16AM +0930, jay.jukes@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> This website sums it up pretty well.  Licensing isn't on a per user basis
> and is not concurrent. If you have 15 users and they use 30 different
> desktop devices, you will need 30 licenses.
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> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/licensoffice.asp
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> Cheers
> Jay Jukes
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> I need some clarification on a specific issue we have with a client.
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> They have a NT4Terminal server with 30 users and will be upgrading to =
> Win2k TSE.  They only have a 15 user license for MS Office 97 which they =
> are happy to keep using, the problem is Microsoft said that they MUST =
> have 30 MS Office licenses because it is a Terminal Server and 30 people =
> have the potential to use it.
> My question is, if they only have 15 (or less) users that need MS Office =
> do they really have to get 30 Office licenses ?
> If the 15 non Office users have no shortcuts to any MS Office =
> applications is this good enough to prove they do not use it ?
> We are very flustered by M$ attitude to Terminal server and licensing of =
> MS Software on this platform.  We have 30 W2k CALs and 30 TSE CALs, but =
> getting 15 more Office CALs for people who will never use it seems to be =
> a huge waste of money.
> I just want to here from others who may have been told the same as me or =
> who have found a different story as I can get 2 different opinions from =
> M$ about the same question.
> TIA
> Malcolm
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