[THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

I've never heard of, or experienced your issues Joe. You must have, what we
refer to in Australia as a "lemon" or a dud. Have you spoken to anyone
about these issues? I'm not a hardware tech, but it sounds like you've got
a faulty backplane, or chassis. I wouldn't accept an answer if someone
tells you that there is nothing wrong with it. Because clearly there is. A
faulty product does not mean it's a bad product.

I've also not had any problems with the Web GUI...and have found the Java
stuff to be very stable. Could be the Java version you are running on the
client.

Your right James. I should be at that point, and I want to be at that
point, but there are always too many other things to do and learn. I do a
lot of IP Telephony, AD and Exchange as well.

 Kind regards,

 Jeremy Saunders
 Senior Technical Specialist

 Integrated Technology Services &
 Cerulean
 IBM Australia
 Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
 West Perth  WA  6005

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It's weird that people have completely different experiences with the same
hardware...  Jeremy like the IBM HS20... I personally think they are crap.
Power on 7 servers are you are already at 2100 watts.  100 watts over the
ability to make that domain redundant.  The blades sometimes shutdown
during
a power cycle... The only way to bring it back is to pull in and reseat it
in the chassis.

I'm not fond of the Web GUI it has for remote controlling the console,  I
think it's clumsy, the java applets bomb from time to time.

The passive backplane isn't really passive, thus forcing us to disable the
switch when we want to reimage a server... The build in cisco switch wasn't
all that better.

I think the problems with excessive vibrations has been solved.

The list goes on and on...

Joe

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Of James Lilly
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Subject: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

I guess I'm just used to running servers with no floppy, no CD, and no KVM
switch.  (We really managed everything through Altiris and the iLO with
virtual floppys and CD's even before we went to blades, so the lack of
those
features never hurt us.

You are absolutely right, it is a matter of personal preference.  My list
and yours just apparently goes in a different order.  :)

That's what keeps companies in competition*.my main beef with the HPs is
the
Rube Goldberg power distribution system they use for their bus bars in the
back.  :)

James


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Interesting view James.

Even though I work for IBM, we also deploy HP, Dell, etc. We are part of
the service arm. I am infact a HP ASE. My experience has found that the HP
blades are difficult to work with. The Java interface to the Advanced iLO
is poor (mouse sync is a known issue), etc.

The IBMs also have build in Floppy, CD and USB, and a KVM switch. The
method to achieve this through the HPs always leaves me very frustrated.

People tend to buy the HP blades due to the fact that they are a HP house,
and are more interested in sticking with HP. But if I get a chance to
demonstrate the two, customers then choose IBM.

I think it all comes down to preferences and peoples aliances.

 Kind regards,

 Jeremy Saunders
 Senior Technical Specialist

 Integrated Technology Services &
 Cerulean
 IBM Australia
 Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
 West Perth  WA  6005

 Visit us at
 http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its

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Place where I used to work picked the HP BL-series blades over the DL360's,
IBM and Dell blades, and we were very happy with them.  At the time, we had
two fully-populated racks of them, and I'm sure in the two years since I've
left that job, they have added more (and they still rave about them).

We chose them because of:

1.  Hot-swappable drives in the blade itself
2.  Larger variety of networking options (in-chassis switch, in-chassis
pass-through patch panel, in-chassis switch or patch panel with Fibre
Channel)
3.  HP beat the snot out of the other vendors in managablity (Altiris
rocks*..plus, at that time, the built-in iLOs for remote-management allowed
each blade to have a unique IP and connection for remote management, IIRC,
the Dell and IBM had one remote connection per blade chassis.)

The major knock against the IBMs for us was twofold:

1.  Had some really, really bad experiences with the IBM 2U servers right
before that in Linux-land.  (x330 maybe, I can't remember the IBM model
numbers, but I remember it was a 2U).
2.  Their FC connectivity at that time made highway robbery look appealing.

Any reason why you aren't looking at the HP BL-series to replace your
DL360's?

James

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Subject:           [THIN] IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

Anyone want to chime in with their 2 cents on the IBM blade vs the HP
DL360?  We're currently using the DL360s but looking at the IBMs...just
wondering if anyone had any stories to tell.

Thanks!

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