[THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

I have to disagree with you about your HP Blade comments.I had to smile when
you suggested they were difficult to work with.

HP Blades are a doddle and not difficult to work with at all.
I put in a brand new rack with Fault Tolerant 3 phase power supplies, 5
enclosures. 40 blades and 10 Copper Gigabit Interconnect cards and cabled in
one day. I retreated to my desk where i had operating systems up and running
in approx 1 hr.
Feet up eating my first Bic Mac and planning my ESX server takeover.

About the iLO ... The early versions of the iLo were poor but since version
1.75 the iLo has improved and the mouse sync issues are long gone. The iLos
also can be scripted too.
You can also connect the HP blades to KVM switches.

Cabling. Look behind most server racks and the cabling is often a dogs
dinner. The cabling for the HP Blades/Scalable /Mini Bus Bars is so simple
and well laid out its untrue.

If your using something like Altiris/RDP how many times are you going to
visit the console anyway ? In fact how may server admins even visit the
server console anymore anyway?
Ive estimated that in the last month ive used an iLO three times. Once due a
server not booting via PXE properly, once to change the name of an Enclosure
and once to remove Citrix from a server after a script refused to.

The iLo floppy and CD options are pretty good as well plus they worked first
time for me without having to resort to documentation and thats a bonus in
my book.

As to hardware failures in nearly two years of Blade use we have had one
hard disk fail, one psu die and one BBWC fail. Thats a better record than
our S*n servers that sit opposite.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeremy Saunders" <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?


Interesting view James.

Even though I work for IBM, we also deploy HP, Dell, etc. We are part of
the service arm. I am infact a HP ASE. My experience has found that the HP
blades are difficult to work with. The Java interface to the Advanced iLO
is poor (mouse sync is a known issue), etc.

The IBMs also have build in Floppy, CD and USB, and a KVM switch. The
method to achieve this through the HPs always leaves me very frustrated.

People tend to buy the HP blades due to the fact that they are a HP house,
and are more interested in sticking with HP. But if I get a chance to
demonstrate the two, customers then choose IBM.

I think it all comes down to preferences and peoples aliances.

 Kind regards,

 Jeremy Saunders
 Senior Technical Specialist

 Integrated Technology Services &
 Cerulean
 IBM Australia
 Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
 West Perth WA 6005

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Place where I used to work picked the HP BL-series blades over the DL360's,
IBM and Dell blades, and we were very happy with them.  At the time, we had
two fully-populated racks of them, and I'm sure in the two years since I've
left that job, they have added more (and they still rave about them).

We chose them because of:

1.  Hot-swappable drives in the blade itself
2.  Larger variety of networking options (in-chassis switch, in-chassis
pass-through patch panel, in-chassis switch or patch panel with Fibre
Channel)
3.  HP beat the snot out of the other vendors in managablity (Altiris
rocks*..plus, at that time, the built-in iLOs for remote-management allowed
each blade to have a unique IP and connection for remote management, IIRC,
the Dell and IBM had one remote connection per blade chassis.)

The major knock against the IBMs for us was twofold:

1.  Had some really, really bad experiences with the IBM 2U servers right
before that in Linux-land.  (x330 maybe, I can't remember the IBM model
numbers, but I remember it was a 2U).
2.  Their FC connectivity at that time made highway robbery look appealing.

Any reason why you aren't looking at the HP BL-series to replace your
DL360's?

James

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From:              BClaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent:        Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:56 PM
To:          <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:           [THIN] IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

Anyone want to chime in with their 2 cents on the IBM blade vs the HP
DL360?  We're currently using the DL360s but looking at the IBMs...just
wondering if anyone had any stories to tell.

Thanks!

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