[THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
- From: "Jim Kenzig http://Kenzig.com" <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 06:19:55 -0800 (PST)
So what about "dumb" thin client devices with flash that you can't install
things on? Trying to push out a driver or any piece of software for that matter
defeats the purpose of having a thin client....think about it.
I am not disagreeing with you, we do have home users connect...they haven't
had any problems using the UPD in my environment since we have been on MPS 3.
In earlier versions of Citrix (and TS) especially NT the UPD/Spooler was not as
stable. If you have 2003 server and any version of Citrix above MF 3.0 you
should be able to run a stable environment without a third party utility.
I am by no means trying to "dis" Screwdrivers (or any of the products) as I
said, they all have their own merit. But if admins take the time to learn how
the printing subsystem and environment works in a TS/Citrix environment it can
go a long way in setting up a stable system.
Jim
wrote:
Jim-
With all due respect, I believe the reason your printing solution is stable
is because as you yourself admitted below, you only have 3 types of printers
that you work with. When you're dealing with home users who purchase just
about every type of printer available, things become significantly more
complicated. For us, ScrewDrivers has been pretty damn good...certainly not
perfect, but pretty damn good nonetheless.
As far as installing/upgrading with ScrewDrivers goes, they do indeed have
client push packages that work well with WI4 (hell, we were using it on NFuse
1.6 with a Columbia interface at one point in time not too long ago so it is
pretty much universal)...the install is automatically triggered for the users
if their local client revision is not up to date, and I haven't had any real
complaints about it.
I believe the selection of a printing solution should be tailored for each
environment. Although the UPD works well for installations with standardized
printers, in an environment with a wide range of printer types one of the
"universal" printing solutions, whether it be tricerat, thinprint, etc.,
becomes exponentially more attractive.
My $0.02 only...
-Dave Melczer
dmelczer@xxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jim Kenzig http://Kenzig.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:40 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
First let me say that I believe most all of the 3rd party printing products
have their own merit. That being said I have a problem with how some of the
vendors products work.
It is great that triCerat has removed the need for drivers on the server but
in doing so they require you install a "client" piece on the client. This
doesn't bode well with me. I understand that they are working on a product
that doesn't require a client but it is as yet to be released. Here is the
issue...instead of having to just install 1 driver on all your servers...you
are stuck supporting ALL of your workstations and trying to find a way to get
the client on them and teaching users how to install it.. etc etc. Not to
mention upgrading the tricerat client on all the workstations when you need to.
I really am puzzled why people think this is such a "wonderful" solution.
Instead of a few drivers an d mappings on the server...you have to install
clients on every workstation you own or on any workstation that connects so
that they can print. shaking head...
Story time
I have a stable printing environment without the use of any 3rd party
utility. We do connect all client printers. It takes some work but it can be
done. We recently purchased a hosted ASP service by ADP to do our timesheets
and they wanted me to install the triCerat driver on all of my workstations. I
told them they are out of their mind. If I am paying an ASP I don't expect to
have to turn around and install 1000 printer clients and on top of it have an
additional printer connecting to my local citrix servers and being added into
the mix.
I basically told ADP that they have a choice...either they can give us a
hosted server with the UPD enabled or add the printer drivers for the 3 types
of printers that we use here beca use I was not going to add the overhead to my
local servers. I think it is insane and unacceptable for a service provider to
expect and require the client to have to install any piece of software on their
desktops other than the TS/Citrix client that is.
ThinPrint does not require a client piece btw.
Jim Kenzig
Steve Greenberg wrote:
Yes, also a very good product
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin- On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:49 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
ThinPrint probably ranks well as a solution to do away with having to
install drivers on Citrix as well no? Have not used it but sounds like a
good product.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Greenberg"
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:16
To:
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and as a
result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....
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