First let me say that I believe most all of the 3rd party printing products have their own merit. That being said I have a problem with how some of the vendors products work. It is great that triCerat has removed the need for drivers on the server but in doing so they require you install a "client" piece on the client. This doesn't bode well with me. I understand that they are working on a product that doesn't require a client but it is as yet to be released. Here is the issue...instead of having to just install 1 driver on all your servers...you are stuck supporting ALL of your workstations and trying to find a way to get the client on them and teaching users how to install it.. etc etc. Not to mention upgrading the tricerat client on all the workstations when you need to. I really am puzzled why people think this is such a "wonderful" solution. Instead of a few drivers and mappings on the server...you have to install clients on every workstation you own or on any workstation that connects so that they can print. shaking head... Story time I have a stable printing environment without the use of any 3rd party utility. We do connect all client printers. It takes some work but it can be done. We recently purchased a hosted ASP service by ADP to do our timesheets and they wanted me to install the triCerat driver on all of my workstations. I told them they are out of their mind. If I am paying an ASP I don't expect to have to turn around and install 1000 printer clients and on top of it have an additional printer connecting to my local citrix servers and being added into the mix. I basically told ADP that they have a choice...either they can give us a hosted server with the UPD enabled or add the printer drivers for the 3 types of printers that we use here because I was not going to add the overhead to my local servers. I think it is insane and unacceptable for a service provider to expect and require the client to have to install any piece of software on their desktops other than the TS/Citrix client that is. ThinPrint does not require a client piece btw. Jim Kenzig Steve Greenberg wrote: Yes, also a very good product -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin- On Behalf Of Steve Parr Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:49 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4? ThinPrint probably ranks well as a solution to do away with having to install drivers on Citrix as well no? Have not used it but sounds like a good product. -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Greenberg" Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:16 To: Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4? Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and as a result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....