[THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

ThinPrint probably ranks well as a solution to do away with having to install 
drivers on Citrix as well no? Have not used it but sounds like a good product.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:16 
To:<thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and as a 
result is approaching 100% reliable client printing.... 
 
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


 
 
 
 From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Tim Mangan
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:26 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

 
 
 
Tricerat used to have a similar approach.  They abandoned it years ago because 
you still need drivers on the server.  Their approach these days avoids loading 
drivers on the server (hence the name Screwdrivers).
 
 
 
tim
 
 
 
 
 
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Robert K Coffman Jr - Info From Data
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:09 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
 
 
 
 
Is this what Tricerat etc. do?  Is that functionality now in the combination of 
MPS4 and PN 9?
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
-----Original   Message-----
From:   thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:55   PM
To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
I think the distinction is that   when using EMF the print job is still in it's 
raw format when on the server,   i.e. much smaller and not driver specific. It 
is still processed on the   server, but the overhead is minimal. The EMF data 
is then sent down to the   client where it is processed by the client print 
driver, i,e, "unpacked".   Think of a PDF file that is 100k on disk and then 
when you print it   the spool file is several megs. The "several megs" part 
only happens on the   client.
   

Does that make   sense?
   
   
 
   
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client   Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite   D8453
Scottsdale, AZ   85262
(602)   432-8649
(602) 296-0411   fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
   
   
 
   
 
   
       
From:   thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:45   PM
To:   'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject:   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
Don't know Evan as   have not used or even tested MPS4 yet. Am hoping someone 
will enlighten   us!
   
I don't think it's   UPD as that is still using spooler service. My 
understanding was new way of   printing completely bypasses traditional way of 
TS or Citrix printing so that   nothing is "spooled" on Citrix - the app doing 
the printing along with Windows   OS creates the raw EMF file which gets 
directly sent down to ICA client were   it then gets spooled for first and only 
time. Maybe I was dreaming.   J It was too good to   be true after all..
   
 
   
-----Original   Message-----
From: Evan Mann   [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30,   2005 3:25   PM
To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
 
   
Is "EMF or   driverless" is basically using the UPD?  I went straight to 
installing   drivers.  We had little time to test the Citrix farm, and I 
couldn't   afford lip from users.  I tried the UPD on my Dell printers, and a 
few   Savin's, but none worked for much of anything. I'd imagine it would be 
fairly   foolproof on the HP LaserJet 4xxx series printers I   use.
   
 
   
 
   
   
       
From:   thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30,   2005 3:15   PM
To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
So did   you go to "installing the print drivers on Citrix" right away as that 
is your   preference(and has been mine as well) OR did you try to print the new 
MPS4 way   without a driver, the "EMF or driverless" way first and because did 
not work   too well revert to "installing drivers on Citrix"?
   
What I   am looking for is feedback from anyone who has tried to go driverless 
on   Citrix with MPS 4 to see how well that works...
   
 
   
-----Original   Message-----
From: Evan Mann   [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30,   2005 2:51   PM
To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
 
   
Yup, I   am installing the actual printer drivers on 1 citrix server, then 
replicating   them to the entire farm, so every printer maps to the actual 
driver for   that printer.  I try to use the same driver across all my sites 
using   Citrix, but that's not always the case.  My citrix server has the 
newest   versions, but some sites will have an older one.
   
 
   
Anyway,   I do this because I personally feel it will give me the least amount 
of   problems, and I use a fairly standard set of about a dozen different   HP 
LaserJet's and a Dell   1700/1710/5300's.
   

I do   manual printer mappings for random printers people use at home, like   
DeskJet's to DeskJet 550C, and some older laserjet's to the   LJ4.  I'm just 
trying to head off at the pass any potential UPD realted   problems, because I 
had already ran into them when I tried to rely on it for a   few printers.
   
 
   
 
   
   
   
       
From:   thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30,   2005 12:25   PM
To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
When you   say using all native drivers I assume you are installing the dirvers 
on Citrix   server and letting them map when users log on 1:1 vs. any type of 
UPD. BUT I   thought the promise with MPS4 was(with the caveat that some apps 
would still   fall back to old way of printing if EMF file handling was not 
possible in the   way required) that the EMF print file would be sent directly 
down to the   client effectively doing away with the need to install any 
drivers on   Citrix?
   
 
   
-----Original   Message-----
From: Evan Mann   [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30,   2005 12:08   PM
To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
 
   
My farm   is a clean install of 2003 SP1 with MPS4.0, no upgrades or anything 
like   that.  The farm itself is extremely stable.  I have 2 zones with 2   
servers per zone and a single WI server (I also use CSG).  My only issues   
have been all printing related, but some were fixed by hotfixes (Print Manager  
 crashing) and others appear to be related to an app I use that relies on a   
kernel mode driver.  I use all native drivers, not the UPD, and I don't   do 
any imported network printing, so it's pretty striaght forward on the   
printing end.  I'm most likely going to deploy ScrewDrivers if my testing   
proves to solve some application specific printing   issues.
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
   
   
   
       
From:   thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30,   2005 11:50   AM
To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:   [THIN] How ready\stable is MPS 4?
   
How far have things come? If   stability is my number one priority should I 
stick with XP   FR3?
   
Also the real attraction for our   company would be the apparent ease with 
which printing in theory is dealt with   by MPS 4 - how much has this proven 
true in practice for   others?
   
 
   
Also I assume the upgrade path   from XP3 to MPS4 is not smooth and possibly 
not even an option from what I   recall reading on the topic last spring? 
Probably need to be on PS 3 to   upgrade to 4?
   
 
   
Steve   Parr
   
Metroland Printing, Publishing and   Distributing Ltd.


   
 

   
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