[THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
- From: "Sjolund, Dag" <Sjolund@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:09:18 -0700
Agreed, when redundancy is required in for envrionments in the 50-100 =
user space, today's dual CPU machines will likely be adequate. There =
are many variables that can affect that statement, though. As we all =
know, bottom line is each individual TS environment requires careful =
analysis in order to design an optimal solution.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 6:16 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
When processor is your bottleneck (as is probably your case) quads are =
just
fine.
In most cases it is other bottle necks and this is where the dual =
preference
often comes into play. I addition the majority of farms are not getting =
you
number of users per box/processor and OFTEN need more smaller boxes to
provide redundancy. Like even if a small environment had to support 100
users and could get them all on a single quad I doubt even you would
recommend that.=20
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=20
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Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf
Of Sjolund, Dag
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:21 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
That would work just fine as well :-)
The increased L2/L3 cache makes a big difference on application and
overall server performance, and is one of the many reasons I prefer 4+
CPU machines over duals.
I hope I'm not starting a philosophical debate with that
statement........
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowlandson, John [mailto:John.Rowlandson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 4:13 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
Mallesons Stephen Jaques
www.mallesons.com
Confidential communication
they had a bad batch of VRM's for the procs
we have now moved onto dell 6650 4 way 3.0Ghz 4mb Xeons similar to the
=3D3D compaq boxes, but with arounbd 16Gb of ram
John Rowlandson
Technical Support Specialist
Mallesons Stephen Jaques
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Sjolund, Dag
Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 10:08 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
Had some reliability issues with the CPUs at some point, but they were
resolved early on.
However, if someone would buy me the latest DL580s or DL740s with 3.0Ghz
P4 Xeon MP CPUs and 4MB L3 cache I wouldn't say no. ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowlandson, John [mailto:John.Rowlandson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:52 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
Mallesons Stephen Jaques
www.mallesons.com
Confidential communication
we have around 40 Lt6000r they were the scum of the earth 4 years ago =
=3D
=3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D when we bought them :(
it took HP 12-18th months to get w2k and SAn drivers for them that were
=3D3D3D3D reliable
John Rowlandson
Technical Support Specialist
Mallesons Stephen Jaques
Sydney
T +61 2 9296 3653
F +61 2 9296 3999
john.rowlandson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Sjolund, Dag
Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 9:30 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
There are a total of eight (8) servers across two physical sites.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D20
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:50 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
Just out of curiosity how many of those LT6000's you running TS on?
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D3D3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Sjolund, Dag
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:38 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How many users are you getting?
Since I guess I triggered this, here are the details:
Servers: HP NetServer LT6000r, 6 x PIII XEON 700MHz, 2MB L2 cache, 8GB
RAM, 2 x 3C996 Gigabit NICs.
Applications: Oracle Forms 6i, Custom VB-based Toolbar, Quick Address
Software (QAS), ThinPrint.
Platform: Windows 2000 Advanced Server running native Terminal Services
(RDP 5.0). Network Load Control: Windows 2000 Network Load Balancing
(NLB).
Network-wise, the servers are dual homed, with one card dedicated to
"front-end" RDP, and the other dedicated to "back-end" SQL traffic.
Stability is fairly good. We are averaging roughly around 27,000 hosted
sessions served per server between reboots, but have seen numbers in the
40,000s.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:14 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] How many users are you getting?
In an earlier e-mail on this list Sjolund, Dag was seen to say: "we
routinely have 250+ concurrent sessions per server"
Saweeeet. Is what I say to that. The largest number of concurrent
connections I could ever get or have worked on was about 120 at one
client with 110 per server (taking second place) at =3D
another.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20
Both of these were running Term EM applications on older quad
xeons.(read 500mhz and a little up no 3.0 ghz stuff)
So the question that came to my mind is: How many users are YOU getting
per box? And on the big ones (100+ users) what types of apps are you
running?
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
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RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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