[THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
- From: "Stansel, Paul" <Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:57:09 -0400
Hehe... we can take this offline if you want a fight about it. You know,
things like people waiting in lines to go to the hospital, the fact that
procedures common in the US can't be had in Canada due to the cost
restrictions, that sort of thing. Why are so many Canadians crossing the
border to get healthcare here? I'm really not trying to start a fight about
it, I was just joking with John because of his (obviously stated) Labour
views.
-Paul
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> From: Bennett, Cameron[SMTP:CBennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:56 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> future.
>
> Or how about from Canada, where we have free health care as well. Say
> Paul,
> how about that infant mortality rate in the US where in some places it is
> almost triple that of Canada's?
>
> Cameron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:42 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
>
>
> Heh, or from the other side of the fence... socialism at its worst :).
> Say
> John, how goes that case where the free clinics impregnated the woman with
> the wrong fertilized egg? :)
>
> -Paul (in the U.S. so I don't care about the politics)
>
> > ----------
> > From: Blackman, John[SMTP:John.Blackman@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:41 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > future.
> >
> > One of the greatest creations of the 20th Century by one of the most
> > forward thinking Governments of the modern era.
> >
> > http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk
> >
> > Basically, UK based free-at-the-point-of-delivery health care.
> >
> > - John
> > (obviously a Labour supporter!)
> >
> > John Blackman
> > IT Inc ltd.
> > Http://www.birse.co.uk
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ray.Albert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Ray.Albert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 22 July 2002 14:33
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok - Dumb question - What is NHS?
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
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> > | | Angus Macdonald |
> > | | <angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxx|
> > | | es.nhs.uk> |
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> > | Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing
> > the
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> >
> >
> >
> > Those are all good points. Unfortunately we are in Wales and therefore
> > not part of the MS deal with the NHS and I'd rather avoid Compaq after
> > my DL360 experiences. We may even look into NewMoon as the licensing
> > costs should be
> > much lower.
> >
> > The first priority is to provide a nice convincing argument for the
> > executive laymen.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: M [mailto:mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 17 July 2002 16:57
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
> >
> >
> > Angus
> > On the Licensing costs
> >
> > 1. Your Microsoft licensing will be dirt cheap due to the NHS deal
> > with Microsoft. 2. I believe there will be a Citrix Licensing scheme
> > that should give you substantial discounts if you get over a certain
> > amount of seats. 3.
> > With all that money that is being pumped into the NHS via next years Tax
> > rise , im sure you should be able to swing funding if you put a decent
> > proposal forward. 4. If you need new servers , get a special bid from
> > Compaq. 5. Speak to your GCAT reseller who should be able to advise
> >
> > Even before that NHS agreement a TS CAL would have costed between
> > approx. 4-10 quid whereas Private companies would have to pay approx.
> > 50-58 quid....
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Angus Macdonald" <angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:38 PM
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
> >
> >
> > > Ah but we ARE the desktop side of the house. Our problem is going to
> > > be Finance saying "HOW MUCH????!!"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 17 July 2002 14:18
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > > future.
> > >
> > >
> > > Good luck Angus. I get a lot of grief from the desktop side of the
> > house.
> > > Their company line is "We moved off mainframes to get away from
> > > that,
> > > and now you want to force us back." What they are really saying is
> > > that they like their job security :). It really is all in how you run
>
> > > the numbers.
> > >
> > > -Paul
> > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: Angus Macdonald[SMTP:angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:14 AM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
> > > >
> > > > We all know the answer and I can probably list dozens of reasons
> > > > myself but I need links to nice official independent web articles or
>
> > > > documents detailing the benefits.
> > > >
> > > > At the moment we are using Citrix to deploy a patient admin app,
> > > > but
> > we'd
> > > > like to start moving towards a fully thin environment and I've
> > > > been
> > tasked
> > > > with providing a strategy document. All contributions gratefully
> > received.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Angus
> > > > Corporate Systems Manager
> > > > North West Wales NHS Trust
> > > >
> > > >
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