[THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
- From: "Shannon Wyatt" <swyatt@xxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:32:06 -0400
I think you missed my point. I understand that the back end systems are
performing the processing. But the web servers themselves are not.
Usually in a MetaFrame environment you are using the MetaFrame server to
replace the client in Client/Server. And if Client/Server has shown me
anything it is that almost all Client/Server systems are designed with
real powerful client systems. And usually you need a pretty fat pipe
between the two systems, which is exactly the opposite of what it was
supposed to be. Web apps take the opposite approach. The client has
little local processing going on (almost all of it being display). The
real work happens somewhere else.
But let me give some examples of where MetaFrame makes sense, and where
web based apps make sense. Take me and my co-workers. The only apps that
we run that require back end interaction is our mail system (which we
can access with web access) and our time reporting tool. The time
reporting tool is a pig. But the portion that us remote folks need to
access could very simply be modified for us to access it through a web
browser. Then we wouldn't need any terminal server access. I can still
run Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Visio, etc without having access to a back
end system. Sure, it is good to back up this data, but I can accomplish
this all sorts of ways.
On the flip side I have a couple clients that are independent insurance
agencies. These guys run gobs of applications that are written by every
insurance company they sell for. Some of the apps are still DOS, and
most of them suck. They are going to be using MetaFrame for a long time
because they don't have any choice in the apps they need to run.
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:45 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
I disagree.. Fat apps DO have interaction with backend systems... The
interact with mail servers, files servers, and most fat clients connect
to a database of some sort. Using a web browser to deliver an app can
be no different that ICA screen scapes. Take NFuse Elite for example.
It delivers web based applications. All of the processing is done by
the Agent server. The web server acts as nothing more than an access
point/delivery mechanism for the users.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Shannon Wyatt [mailto:swyatt@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:33 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
What I meant by that was that the idea of thin client computing was to
have a thin client on the end users pc and your running on a server
somewhere else. A web browser based app technically runs on a thin
client (the web browser) but those browsers are pretty darn fat! In the
end you need a combination of fat applications and thin applications.
But the diference is that a fat application is one that has little or no
interaction with a back end system. If you had 1000 users that need to
run Word and nothing else I wouldn't think that you would use a
metaframe server to deliver it. The cost of the servers alone would
outweigh the cost to have it run on a PC. But in the real world lots of
people need to run Word (not just Word, but apps like it), and access
system that require interaction to a back end system. But if I can get
my back office system to run in a browser in a low bandwidth environment
I wouldn't mind having those office applications on the front end.
A lot of the stated benifits to thin client computing you hear batted
around is just the hyperbole from the companies that will gain
finacially from thin client computing.
Having said that I've been working with Citrix products since 98 and I
am a beliver in using terminal servers were they are appropriate. If I
could bill 40 a week doing nothing but Citrix and Terminal Services then
I would be very happy.
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:51 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
That comment kinda contradicts itself... If you have thin apps why
would you need a fat client? Thin clients are perfect for thin apps.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Shannon Wyatt [mailto:swyatt@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:09 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
I personally don't see thin computing as the future. I see it more as a
tool that is useful in certain environments. I think that thin apps are
more of the future then thin clients.
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ruud Bransen
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:26 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
I think we all moved away from mainframes because of the "nice" graphics
in Windows. Now you have "mainframes" with pictures!! And you can use
your mouse too (LOL).
Regards,
Ruud Bransen
Databalk bv
www.databalk.nl
www.diskis.nl
-----Original Message-----
From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: woensdag 17 juli 2002 15:18
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
Good luck Angus. I get a lot of grief from the desktop side of the
house. Their company line is "We moved off mainframes to get away from
that, and now you want to force us back." What they are really saying
is that they like their job security :). It really is all in how you
run the numbers.
-Paul
> ----------
> From: Angus
Macdonald[SMTP:angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:14 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
future.
>
> We all know the answer and I can probably list dozens of reasons
> myself but I need links to nice official independent web articles or
> documents detailing the benefits.
>
> At the moment we are using Citrix to deploy a patient admin app, but
> we'd like to start moving towards a fully thin environment and I've
> been tasked with providing a strategy document. All contributions
> gratefully received.
>
> Regards
> Angus
> Corporate Systems Manager
> North West Wales NHS Trust
>
>
>
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