[THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)

Gottcha.

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Angus Macdonald
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:14 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


I believe the PXE search process is a broadcast, very like DHCP. You'll have
trouble without it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Schneider, Chad M [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 21 April 2005 13:57
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


hhhhmmm....we don't allow broadcast traffic....this make PXE a problem?

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Angus Macdonald
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:08 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


I'm still a newbie with altiris but here are some thoughts.
 
Make sure your have installed and configured the PXE server. If the server
is on a different subnet to your clients, make sure you have installed a
helper on your router to forward broadcast requests.
 
Use the PXE config utility within Altiris to make a boot image for your
terminals. The process is still a mystery to me, even when I successfully
manage to achieve it so you'll have to stab around in the dark for a while.
 
When you think it's working, fire up a terminal and press F12 to force a
network boot. If the PXE server is available you should see a "Press F8"
message with a three second countdown. Press F8 and choose "Inital
deployment". Unless you've customised the boot image, it won't do any harm.
The terminal should boot to a command prompt, probably with a few error
messages.
 
Now you want to customise your boot image back in Altiris again. The
important file to ad to the image is rdeploy.exe, which is used for remote
image uploading and downloading. If you want you can edit autoexec.bat
(remember that one?!) to run rdeploy for you at boot time, to upload or
download an image. While testing though, I'd leave it as a manual operation.
 
Once you have your terminal booting to a command prompt and able to upload
and download images, you can automate the process from Altiris. Obtain a
copy of BootOrderCE.exe (it's in an HP SoftPaq available from the website)
and create an Altiris script to download the file to the terminal, run it to
set the boot order to Network first and reboot. The terminal will set the
boot order,boot to a command prompt, upload (or download) your image file
automatically (if you've setup autoexec.bat that way) and reboot. Setup
another script to download BootOrderCE again, reset the boot order to local
boot and restart again. This will ensure that the terminal doesn't try
network booting every time.
 
As I said, I'm an Altiris newbie but I'm in the same boat as you and
gradually working through the wrinkles. There may well be far better ways of
achieving what we both want and hopefully a "proper" expert will be along
with them soon ;-)
 
Angus

-----Original Message-----
From: Schneider, Chad M [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 20 April 2005 19:57
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


Now I just have to figure out how Altiris works into eh whole scheme.  I was
hoping to use it to build images a preconfigured Thin Client, to be able to
push it to other thin clients, if needed.  
 
I was hoping I could totally build one out, create a "disk" image and go. 
 
I try to create disk image from the single thin client, it says uploading,
but the thin client just reboots, reboots, reboots.
 
And I thought this setup would make my life easier.

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Angus Macdonald
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:10 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


I take it that's helped a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Schneider, Chad M [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 20 April 2005 14:24
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


AH!

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Angus Macdonald
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:21 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


I have to hold my hands up and admit that I'm not entirely sure. All I know
is we created a local user account (called User) not in the administrators
group and when that user logs in to kiosk mode (using autologon) the buttons
along the bottom of the connection manager window have vanished. I don't
remember doing anything special to set it up that way, it just happened.
When logged in as Administrator, all the buttons are present and correct.
 
I've just created a test user on a nearby terminal. When the username is
flagged as an administrator, the connection manager options are there. When
the administrator tickbox  (connection
manager>Advanced>Security>Users>username>modify>permissions) is unticked,
the connection manager is locked down.

-----Original Message-----
From: Schneider, Chad M [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 20 April 2005 13:22
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


How did you force the cut down connection manager for users and not for
admins?
 
This is where it becomes confusing so far.  Seems if I set kiosk, everyone
(including admin) gets kiosk, I hide connection center, it is gone for
everyone.
 
I want to run it locked down, but need some accessibility for the admins, of
course.
 
I have altiris, man, that is no picnic to install.  I need to find a SQL
server I can install it on.

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Angus Macdonald
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:42 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HP Thin Clients (newer Models)


We're just starting to roll out a couple of hundred T5500s. We have them
setup to autologin as a restricted user, with the option of pressing ESC to
login as the local administrator during the 5 second autologin countdown.
Standard users get the terminal in kiosk mode with only the cut-down
connection manager and a single autostart ICA connection. Administrators get
the full connection manager ,including options to reenable the desktop.
 
Assuming you've deployed Altiris (the client licenses come with the
terminals so it's a good move), you can reimage, remotely control (including
logging users off and logging on as the administrator), reboot etc from your
desktop.

-----Original Message-----
From: Schneider, Chad M [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 19 April 2005 21:08
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] HP Thin Clients (newer Models)



Anyone have any knowledge of the configuration of the newer model HP thin
clients? 

Chad M. Schneider 
Technology Analyst 
Bemis Company, Inc. 
920-303-7609 
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