[THIN] Re: HELP PLEASE

Pav,

It is just taking you a little longer to run out of VM (you have a slow =
lead and not a fast leak).=20

Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software
678-455-5506 x701
bernd@xxxxxxxxxxx
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pavlo Ignatusha [mailto:pignatusha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:07 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HELP PLEASE


I have same errors and I do not run any antivirus on my XPa farm. You =
may
rule antivirus out, Brian. My servers run without restart for about 2-3
weeks and then I start getting these messages. I restart and I'm good =
for
another 2-3 weeks

Environment: 3 W2K SP2 servers with XPa FR1. Office apps, Financials =
(Great
Plains Dynamics, Momentum Healthware, FRx), homegrown  Hospital =
applications
(SQL driven)

Pav

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Murphy, Brian
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:37 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: HELP PLEASE


Hmm.  I still think it's the A/V.  IS the on demand scanner running when
user logs onto session?

Also.  Norton addresses this problem in version 7.61 build 34a.
(Personally, I would use Sophos without the Intercheck module)...(But =
the
Norton is much easier to update)

A short term workaround might be to use Group Policy and set the
"Maximum retries to unload and update user profile" =3D 0


-----Original Message-----
From: Bernd Harzog [mailto:Bernd.Harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:08 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HELP PLEASE



Sorry about the garbled text everyone. I am trying this one more time =
=3D with
a send type of plain text.

Doug,

You are running out of virtual memory. I know that this sounds =3D
counter-intuitive, but this can happen quite easily even if you have =3D
plenty of physical RAM available and plenty of page file space =3D =
available.
The reason that it can happen with plenty of those resources =3D =
available is
that there are system resources that you can run out of =3D even of you =
have
plenty of RAM and plenty of page file space.

The two most common reasons for this problem are that you are running =
=3D
applications that have a memory leak somewhere and your memory is being =
=3D
slowly eroded over time (this it why it is a good idea to reboot those =
=3D
servers every night - that is the only sure way to reclaim leaked =3D =
memory),
or that you are simply running enough copies of applications =3D that =
consume
a lot of VM to push your servers to the wall.

Now for a little commercial. We make a product, TScale that reduces the =
=3D VM
used by 32 bit applications running on Terminal Servers. You can =3D =
download
a free eval from our web site here:

http://www.rtosoft.com/evaluate_ts.html

After you download the software you will need an evaluation key to get =
=3D it
to actually optimize your applications. You can get the key by =3D =
sending an
email to sales@xxxxxxxxxxxx

If you have any other questions, you are welcome to email me on or off =
=3D
list. If you want to get technical, I will get Kevin Goodman our VP of =
=3D
Development involved.

Cheers,

Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software
678-455-5506 x701
bernd@xxxxxxxxxxx
www.rtosoft.com




We currently have our Reg size set to 140MB and it does not look like =
=3D =3D3D
it has got to the maximum yet.  84 MB is the biggest I have seen it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fojut [mailto:Fojut.Joseph@xxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Wed, November 20, 02 1:13 PM
To: Stratton, Doug MSER:EX
Subject: RE: [THIN] HELP PLEASE


Hi Doug:

This sounds like you are running out of room in your registry and the
userenv errors are occurring when your system is not able to load a =
=3D3D
users ntuser.dat.  You should increase the registry to the maximum =
allowable
=3D =3D3D size. I bump it to 100mb on our WTSE 4.0 boxes and I think you =
can go
at =3D3D least 150mb on the W2k boxes.  You may be able to go higher.

We have found that registry size turns out to be the limiting factor =
=3D3D for
us and causes us to add more servers well before CPU and memory are a =
=3D3D
problem.

Regards,

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
Behalf Of Stratton, Doug MSER:EX
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:21 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] HELP PLEASE

We have terminal server farm with 5 production servers in it. =3D3D20 =
They are
running Citrix XP and 1.8.
We are starting to get resource problems more and more often.   These =
=3D
=3D3D
are
becoming quite common and it seems they occur on any of the 5 servers  =
=3D =3D3D
(more often then not nutmeg or chives 2 of the 5) =3D3D20

I have sent a note to MS asking if the  KB312362  artical applies to =
=3D3D W2k
Server (not advanced server).  Not sure if this will help or not.

I checked the registry size on nutmeg when it was telling me that it =
=3D3D
needed to be increased and found that it was 84 MB and maximum size was
140MB. =3D =3D3D  So I assume it still had room and the message was =
erroneous?
Page file =3D3D was 4092 MB recommended 3070 MB.

Most of the original messages were around the system pagepool being =
=3D3D
empty.

These are the types of events that we get:

APPLICATION EVENT LOG
Event Type:     Error
Event Source:   Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID:       1000
Date:           11/20/2002
Time:           11:24:04 AM
User:           NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer:       NUTMEG
Description:
Windows cannot unload your registry class file.  If you have a roaming
profile, your settings are not replicated. Contact your administrator.  =
=3D
=3D3D


DETAIL The operation completed successfully. , Build number =3D =
((2195)).=3D3D20

Event Type:     Error
Event Source:   Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID:       1000
Date:           11/20/2002
Time:           11:24:10 AM
User:           NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer:       NUTMEG
Description:
RegLoadKey failed. Return value Insufficient system resources exist to
complete the requested service.  for e:\Documents and
Settings\dstrat_a\ntuser.dat.=3D3D20


Event Type:     Error
Event Source:   Userenv
Event Category: None
Event ID:       1000
Date:           11/20/2002
Time:           11:24:13 AM
User:           NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer:       NUTMEG
Description:
Windows cannot load your profile. Please increase the registry size and
restart the computer.=3D3D20

SYSTEM EVENT LOG

Event Type:     Error
Event Source:   Print
Event Category: None
Event ID:       33
Date:           11/20/2002
Time:           11:27:06 AM
User:           NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Computer:       NUTMEG
Description:
The PrintQueue Container could not be found because the DNS Domain name
could not be retrieved.  Error: 547=3D3D20

Event Type:     Error
Event Source:   Srv
Event Category: None
Event ID:       2020
Date:           11/20/2002
Time:           11:18:56 AM
User:           N/A
Computer:       NUTMEG
Description:
The server was unable to allocate from the system paged pool because =
=3D3D the
pool was empty.=3D3D20
Data:
0000: 00 00 04 00 01 00 54 00   ......T.
0008: 00 00 00 00 e4 07 00 c0   ....=3D3DC3=3D3DA4..=3D3DC3=3D3D80
0010: 00 00 00 00 9a 00 00 c0   ....=3D3DC5=3D3DA1..=3D3DC3=3D3D80
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ........
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ........
0028: 02 00 00 00               ....   =3D3D20


I could really use some process/advice on how to resolve this. =3D3D20

At this point I have ended up doing the following to get around the =
=3D3D
problem when it occurs:

Disable logon to the server (via load balancing)
Restart the print spooler as the first sign is usually people can't =
=3D3D
print. (sometimes helps) Restart the NAV service (we just started trying
this) Logoff any disconnected sessions.  This usually helps

This helps usually but it is getting more severe all the time and less
effective.


Doug Stratton,=3D3D20
TDA, Workplace Support, http://icw.ista.gov.bc.ca/I_wss/workplace.asp
<http://icw.ista.gov.bc.ca/I_wss/workplace.asp>=3D3D20
Common IT Services,=3D3D20
Ministry of Management Services,=3D3D20
Province of British Columbia=3D3D20
Phone: 250 356-6678 Fax: 250 356-1960=3D3D20
MailTo:Doug.M.Stratton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<MailTo:Doug.M.Stratton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>=3D3D20
D Sharped


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