I see your point but I still prefer to use CAG/AAC for these situations with the following benefits: 1) CAG is a dedicated LINUX box, CSG is Windows! Who would want IIS in the DMZ? 2) Forward going support, Citrix is dropping CSG soon 3) Ability to offer VPN, WI or portal style content with the same solution 4) Ability to do endpoint security checking, I certainly would want to enforce virus/worm protection on any machine gaining access to my environment 5) Ability to present content with various levels of access depending the type of device, type of user, whether they using a known devices, virus protection, etc. i.e. if the end user is coming from the subnet of the B to B partner then they can read/write a certain document, if they are coming from somewhere else it is read-only, and countless other if/then possibilities... Can you tell I like CAG/ACC? :-) Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 www.thinclient.net steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:37 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Giving expernal parties access to your Citrix published applications Put the external users in their own domain. I believe the external connector would work for you although I'm not 100% on how that is licensed in regards to partners and vendors. The external connector would cover you from a CAL perspective. I also think a segmented fam would be the best way to handle it. I would also use CSG/WI (separate installation because of domain and branding (if you wanted different branding for external users)). The PS license server could easily be shared if needed. this is exactly the scenario that it was designed for. I have to respectfully disagree with use CAG/AAC. It wouldn't get you any real advantage over simply using WI/CSG. The granularity that AAC is for is controlling the level of trust to your internal network in regards to shares, websites, etc. It sounds more like you want to simply deliver applications and not ahve those users mix with your employees. Jeff Pitsch Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server Provision Networks VIP Forums not enough? Get support from the experts at your business http://jeffpitschconsulting.com <http://jeffpitschconsulting.com/> On 9/5/06, Michael Pardee <pardeemp.list@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: We have a MFXP Farm of approximately 4500 concurrent users all on Windows2003 SP1 servers. We have always brought Vendors in to a secure area via VPN to very specific servers. We now have a need to bring in close to 500 concurrent users from a Vendor/Partner and I'm curious how others are doing this. As with everything, the easiest way is the least secure, so just giving them accounts in our AD and letting them hit our internal Farm via WI is probably not the best way to go. I'm thinking we may actually want to bring up an external facing PS4 Farm for the Vendors/Partners. When we do that we need new ZDCs, license servers, etc. I guess we'd need an external Microsoft license server and a bunch of TSCals. Maybe even a different WI server to ensure seperation from the regular employee access portal. Just curious how others allow external parties access to your applications. Thanks in advance. -- Michael Pardee www.blindsquirrel.org <http://www.blindsquirrel.org/>