That is why I think we need to sell Citrix as more of a 'total access solution' and less about it being a product. Steve, do check out the video when you get a chance! Also there are a couple of other MS videos that recently came out. Go to: http://channel9.msdn.com/showforum.aspx?forumid=14 -Richie --- "Douglas A. Brown" <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I agree with you Steve! Yah, the new TS stuff is > very impressive and > it will cut in to some of the business Citrix picks > as some customers > will say, "Is TS good enough?" > > > > But, some want a product that will completely round > out the TS > experience and supply killer management, security > and control around the > protocol. This is where Citrix comes in to the > picture. I think it > will be like an Oracle deal, I mean, people buy > Oracle because they NEED > the best but they settle for MS SQL because it is > good enough. (Until > SQL 2005!) > > > > I also agree with Steve's comments about some of > this stuff shipping in > 2007 and some of it is going to be further down the > road. As we have > always said, Citrix is years ahead of Microsoft so > it will be > interesting what Presentation Server will be doing > in 2007 and beyond. > But then it comes back to the question, "Do we need > that or not, is TS > good enough to supply us remote access and access to > applications that > are bandwidth intensive?" This is the important > question and this > cannot be answered until 2007. > > > > Of course, you must not just look at Microsoft for > competition to > Citrix. What about the Blade PC, VMware Ace and/or > SoftGrid > applications? They all cut in to the value-add that > SBC brings to you. > I guess it is time to reassess the market, or will > be in 2007.... ;) > > > > DB > > > > > > Douglas A. Brown > > President and Chief Technology Officer > > > > Microsoft MVP, Windows Server > > > > DABCC, Inc. > > > > Phone: (954) 778-9558 > > Fax: (248) 479-0621 > > > > E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx > <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> > > Web: http://www.dabcc.com > <http://www.dabcc.com/> > > > > ________________________________ > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Steve Greenberg > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:11 PM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - > Microsoft Video on next > Version of Terminal Services > > > > > > > Buh bye Citrix > > > > I don't necessarily agree, Citrix is a lot more than > publish apps. I > haven't seen the video, but I suspect that MS's > version has a number of > limitations with things such as client version > supported. Also, if this > is a 2007 product then I don't expect Citrix's > customer base to wait > until then, and, Citirx is not sitting still !!! > > Steve Greenberg > Thin Client Computing > 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 > Scottsdale, AZ 85262 > (602) 432-8649 > (602) 296-0411 fax > steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Bbeck > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:02 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - > Microsoft Video on next > Version of Terminal Services > > Buh bye Citrix > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com > <mailto:jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:11 PM > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - > Microsoft Video on > next Version of Terminal Services > > > > Note the guy claims that the next version of > windows server > (vista or whatever) WILL have applications remoting > (published > applications)AND https tunneling (a la web > interface) > > JK > > > > FYI > > JK > > Subject: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on > next > Version of Terminal Services > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:19:45 -0400 > > * * DABCC NEWS FLASH * * > > Microsoft shows off the next version of Terminal > Services! > > A MUST SEE > > 09/21/2005 - > > Microsoft released a killer video that shows off > the next version of Terminal Services!! Check out > this video interview > with Tad Brockway, Microsoft's Terminal Services > Group Program Manager. > In this video, Tad discusses what Terminal Services > is and why you might > want to use it. He even talks a bit about > Longhorn's Remote Programs > (Project RAIL, Remote Application Integrated > Locally) and the new HTTPS > Gateway for RDP. > > For the rest of this article and to download the > Microsoft video please visit: > > > http://www.dabcc.com/DABCC/WebApplication/Aspx/dabcc.content.aspx?intPKT > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************** This Weeks Sponsor: triCerat Inc. You need Day Zero Protection! Get Proactive with triCerat's Simplify Suite. 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