Thanks for this. It does sound promising, I guess it's just a case of whether it will do the job over a satellite link. I'm waiting for some documentation and may be offered a trial of the kit. If I take up the offer and the client is willing, I'll post the results.=20 -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Oglesby Sent: 19 May 2004 16:28 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Expand Accelerators I did some tests with Expand (well me and some guys at my old company with an expand engineer). Now this was a couple of years back but over a simulated 56K the routers were clocking 256K line spd and we had like 9 or 10 clients running if I remember right.=20 Now what they do is look for data passing their box going to the remote site (with another expand box). If they see the data pass twice they flag it and cache it at both sides. Any time after that, if that data passes again, they just pass a marker instead of the big chunks of data and on the other end the receiving device pulls up that cached data and send it to the remote router just as if it had come over the line. This works at the packet level and supposedly works very well with Citrix. I believe at the time they called it Enterprise caching. Kinda like a web cache but instead of pulling data in and caching it they were moving data out to the edges of the network and caching it there.=20 Repetitive data (like the same application screens over and over) works pretty well and is where is you would get the best performance. Of course The trick is with a satellite you often have latency issues that could factor into this that they don't really fix.=20 Anyway it was a cool product. I have talked to some people that have it and they liked it. But I have never put it in myself. =20 Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect Microsoft MVP - Windows Server =20 RapidApp, Chicago Mobile 815 325-7618 Office 312 372-7188 e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx =20 -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Russell Robertson Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 5:23 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Expand Accelerators That's my thinking too, can it be that good? Expand have a slew of case studies relating to Citrix though on their web site. This one http://www.expand.com/include/casestudy/NTT_Communications.pdf sounds amazing, albeit they are using Frame Relay.=3D20 I have a call with an Expand distibutor pending. It will be interesting to see what they come back with. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Rogers Sent: 19 May 2004 11:02 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Expand Accelerators Looks like they compress the data to me.. would ICA benefit from this much?=3D3D Wouldnt have thought so, since its meant to be pretty =3D efficient anyway? Maybe some of the technical people can shed more (?!) light :) Andrew --o-- >>> russell.robertson@xxxxxxxxx 19/05/04 10:59:19 >>> Hello everyone I'm looking at a problem where we'd like to get a remote site with a 128K satellite link to be able to host up to 15 users all on Citrix. Taking the general rule of thumb to be 20k per session, I would need 300k of bandwidth. Upping the link isn't a solution. The Expand accelerators (www.expand.com) seem too good to be true, the sales docs suggest that they could easily get 15 Citrix users on a 128k link. Does anyone have any real world experience with Expand, good or bad? 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