[THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?

From: "Claudio Rodrigues" <crodrigues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:12:09 -0400
2003 does not do that yet.
Canaveral IQ 2.1 does all that and much more at only US$ 60 per user. In
some aspects it is even ahead of Citrix.

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jason Patten
Sent: May 21, 2004 1:09 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?=20


I'm actually in this debate right now.   We currently use MF 1.8 on our
NT4
servers, and I have been tasked with setting up the feasibility of going
with Straight 2003 Server without Citrix.  And I honestly don't think it
will go that well.   We currently have about 12 app servers offering a
variety of Apps, with a little over 1000 client workstations scattered
across the U.S. in hotels and businesses.  They run everything from
windows
95!  To WinXP pro.  I don't relish the idea of trying to convert them
all
from Citrix to the Remote desktop client.  I think we are best staying
with
citrix, if for nothing else, Application publishing, or does 2003 server
do
that and I am just missing it?

Jason


-----Original Message-----
From: Claudio Rodrigues [mailto:crodrigues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:03 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?=20


Everyone does DNS Round Robin. They are just shy to admit in public what
they did. :-)


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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: May 21, 2004 12:52 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the
difference?=3D20


Ok, c'mon Claudio. DNS round robin!!!!!!

LOL. Just had to do that.

Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Claudio Rodrigues
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:38 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the
difference?=3D20

Terminal Services can do load balancing. Windows 2003 has built-in NLB
on
Server. 2000 can do with Advanced Server. It is not resource based
though.
Depending on the environment (Ron will kill me after this sentence) you
can
even use DNS Round Robin - the
cheap-o-matic(tm) solution.
Or use WTSGateway or WTSGateway Pro.
Most people usually say Citrix has everything centralized, enterprise
features bla bla bla. My experience tells me that when you go to BIG
environments, they already have a tool to monitor resources (TNG,
Tivoli,
NetIQ, etc) that are 1000 times better than RMS (that is a piece of crap
and
like Wordstar 2000 was one of the few products in history that got 1000
worse on version 2.0 than on 1.0). For deploying apps and so on these
places
use something like Altiris, SMS etc, again, much better than IMS on
Citrix.
So at the end these big corporations pay for MetaFrame Xpe but at the
end
they would need Xpa only. So I tend to disagree Citrix has all the
corporate
things built-in. It has if you are a cheapo corporation. If you are
really
after the top stuff you will never use RMS/IMS. Can TS do everything
like
Citrix? Well depends on the environment. For small companies, for sure.
For
medium, it depends. That is why people like me, Ron and Brian have a
job.
:-)


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of John Van Gerpen
Sent: May 20, 2004 5:32 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the =
difference?=3D3D20


I administrate Windows 2000 network and Citrix Medaframe XP.  Looking at
CO$T$ and maintenance associated with Citrix I'm considering scrapping
Citrix and going with a Terminal services RDP environment. All my
clients
are WinXP and Wyse terminals (RDP).  The only down side I know is the
load
balancing Citrix can do, and Terminal services cannot.   What do you
think
the advantages and disadvantages are between RDP & ICA?=3D3D20
Is Terminal services as functional as Citrix?

Thanks in advance
 John.
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