For real DR, do you then have an automated process that occasinally copy your registries to a directory or CD? -----Original Message----- From: Friese, Casey To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 7/25/2002 11:47 AM Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups We burn our registries onto a CD for each server before we go to the = site for DR testing, it's part of our DR kit. When we do a system = restore we rebuild the OS from scratch and then do the restore of the = applications and data. We never restore the registry from tape. -----Original Message----- From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:50 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups The registry can be easily exported/imported, the entire thing, or = selected keys. While it may not be ellegant, or a good solution, and certainly = not the fastest and most automated, you could export relevant registry keys, create some batch files as necessary, or combine an entires server worth = of registry info into 1 .key file and with the click of the mouse re-import = it. You have to be very careful with what your re-importing from a backup, = but it does give you the ability to not have to recustomize from scratch.=20 YOu could even get away with doing this to "reinstall" software. You'd = have to make sure you exported every key (which you could use something like regmon to see what keys are added, log it, make sure to export them all, etc), but that wouldn't be a wise path in my opinion. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Turman, David C. [mailto:david_turman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:41 PM To: ''thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' ' Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups I never even brought up ghosting - I would be dubious about ghosting to like hardware, much less unlike. The whole problem is the registry technology - or lack of it - that Microsloth decided to use on NT. It's too dependent on too many factors. I can't buy 2 servers everytime I need one, or throw "old" servers that I can't buy replacemants for in the dustbin. We do standardize on hardware - Compaq Proliant. Unix can almost be restored back to a Palm Pilot if needed (LOL)! -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shonk To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Sent: 7/25/2002 11:26 AM Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups Huh? Now your being silly.. If that is a concern for then company, they would have a HOT site. You can't take one idea and expect it to work across all spectrums. Geez.. Ghosting has it's place in a DR plan.. It can't be use to cure the plague. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:56 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups This completely overlooks the problem that occurs when you standardize on 300 Servers and 2 or 3 years later, your entire building burns down and now you want to re-use images on hardware that is simply unobtainable. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shonk [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:53 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups I not quite sure how unlike hardware, multiple servers etc came into the mix.. But I think everyone is missing the point.. If you are using ghost as part of your DR plan you wouldn't using different hardware... Most likely, you have a service plan with your vendor.. If a Raid controller/MB/etc frys. They you replace the bad components and download the ghost image. If you introduce a new platform, then you would create a new image. Granted there will be a few images created, but not nearly as many as there are servers... With 300 servers, there is something to be said about standardization. Keep in mind, the image is just the base OS... From there, you can use backup to restore data, registry, etc... or use a software distribution packages (like IM for MF) to distribute and setup you applications. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Turman, David C. [mailto:david_turman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:37 AM To: ''thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' ' Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups We have an infrastructure with probably at least 300 NT servers. Probably 25 differnt versions of Compaqs. We can't afford to have a double of every type of server, nor is it possible, so we can restore to like=20 hardware. Even like hardware restores are far from perfect. We also have somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 different applications - yeah, we can reinstall all of them, but that just goes to show how poor restores are. Try NT backup against unlike hardware and see what a mess you get.=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shonk To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Sent: 7/25/2002 9:55 AM Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups How so? NTBackup works just fine... Never had a problem with it... Joe -----Original Message----- From: Turman, David C. [mailto:david_turman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:56 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Backups Thanks everyone for their backup info. 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