[THIN] Re: Backups

 I never even brought up ghosting - I would be dubious about
ghosting to like hardware, much less unlike. The whole problem
is the registry technology - or lack of it - that Microsloth
decided to use on NT. It's too dependent on too many factors.
I can't buy 2 servers everytime I need one, or throw "old" servers
that I can't buy replacemants for in the dustbin. We do standardize
on hardware - Compaq Proliant. Unix can almost be restored back to
a Palm Pilot if needed (LOL)!

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shonk
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Sent: 7/25/2002 11:26 AM
Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups

Huh?  Now your being silly..  If that is a concern for then company,
they
would have a HOT site.  You can't take one idea and expect it to work
across
all spectrums.  Geez.. Ghosting has it's place in a DR plan.. It can't
be
use to cure the plague.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:56 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups



This completely overlooks the problem that occurs when you standardize
on
300 Servers and 2 or 3 years later, your entire building burns down and
now
you want to re-use images on hardware that is simply unobtainable.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shonk [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:53 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups


I not quite sure how unlike hardware, multiple servers etc came into the
mix..  But I think everyone is missing the point..  If you are using
ghost
as part of your DR plan you wouldn't using different hardware...  Most
likely, you have a service plan with your vendor.. If a Raid
controller/MB/etc frys.  They you replace the bad components and
download
the ghost image.  If you introduce a new platform, then you would create
a
new image.  Granted there will be a few images created, but not nearly
as
many as there are servers...  With 300 servers, there is something to be
said about standardization.  Keep in mind, the image is just the base
OS...
From there, you can use backup to restore data, registry, etc...  or use
a
software distribution packages (like IM for MF) to distribute and setup
you
applications.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Turman, David C. [mailto:david_turman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:37 AM
To: ''thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' '
Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups




We have an infrastructure with probably at least 300
NT servers. Probably 25 differnt versions of Compaqs.
We can't afford to have a double of every type of
server, nor is it possible, so we can restore to like 
hardware. Even like hardware restores are far from perfect.
We also have somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 different
applications - yeah, we can reinstall all of them, but that
just goes to show how poor restores are. Try NT backup
against unlike hardware and see what a mess you get. 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Shonk
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Sent: 7/25/2002 9:55 AM
Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups

How so?  NTBackup works just fine...  Never had a problem with it...

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Turman, David C. [mailto:david_turman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:56 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Backups




        Thanks everyone for their backup info. Sounds like Microsoft is
screwing us all with
        a product that can't easily or reliably be restored......




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