[THIN] Re: Backups
- From: "Jan Broucinek" <TinyBeetle@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:26:24 -0400
I don't know if Win2K is more touchy since I have not cloned many of them,
but I've cloned WinNT with impunity. I have mixed manufacturers
motherboards, video cards (always set to VGA 640x480), different hard
drives, and memory configurations. Before cloning I remove the network card
and install an MS-Loop-back adapter (since this is more a part of networking
and not hardware). On rare occasions I have had to reinstall WinNT back on
top of itself and reapply the service packs to the freshly cloned system.
However in most cases, the Hardware Abstraction layer takes care of it for
me at reboot. If I remember correctly, that particular registry path is
rebuilt at each boot. I have been doing this for years with no problems.
I'm curious, how many have actually attempted to clone systems? Or have we
all bought into the Micro$oft mantra of "You can't do that".
Jan Broucinek, System Manager
Arthur Rutenberg Homes, Inc.
(727) 536-5900 voice
(727) 536-7168 x245 direct
(727) 538-9089 fax
www.arhomes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Shonk" <JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:54 AM
Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups
> Driver info is also stored in the registry... And so is your software
> settings.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:22 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups
>
>
>
> I won't encounter any hardware driver issues with my backups because I
don't
> bother to backup an entire \winnt folder. I backup only the essentials,
> realizing I will have more headaches having to deal with driver/hardware
> conflicts if I backed up and tried a complete restore.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shonk [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:53 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups
>
>
> Regardless of like hardware or not... Your going to encounter pretty much
> the same issues with hardware drivers with a ghost image as if your using
a
> backup.
>
> For many. 24 hrs of downtime is toooo long.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:21 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Backups
>
>
>
> I can't say we have the best disaster recovery plans, but we have about 18
> servers, 11 in the "HQ" and 2 in a remote HQ, and 1 at each remaining
site.
> We don't do ghost images or any type of imaged backup because the likely
> hood of getting a server with similar configuration of hardware, and then
it
> coming up from a non-identical image are low, even with Windows 2000,
which
> is far superior to NT in this reguard.
>
> So we do network wide package to AIT-1 nightly, and every week we do a
more
> comprehensive backup to an older Exabyte 8505XL based tape library which
has
> more storage. We backup current states of SQL databases, shared folders,
> backups of databases, etc. The standard things most people would backup.
> We use ARCServe. It's not the greatest, but it gets the job done.
>
> Because of the nature of my network and applications, I could bring the
> entire thing up on a fresh install of Windows 2000 with AD in a 24 hour
> period, including a server at each location. In a matter of minutes a
brand
> new domain policy can be locked down. There are some options for
> importing/exporting GPO that were flying around Focus-MS on securityfocus
as
> well, those could greatly assist here as well.
>
> The citrix server is used for published apps so it's a much easier thing
to
> re-create than having to deal with published desktops and all the
necessary
> registry tweaks/hacks/etc.
>
> Most things are docuemnted in a disaster recovery plan and are easily
> re-creatable from scratch with very little effort.
>
> In essense, in one day of work (once hardware was obtained), I could
> re-instate my network back to where it was. Not with the exact final
> configuration and level of tweaking, but it would be running, which is
more
> important than it being exactly the way it was. For my company, that's a
> more than acceptable turn around time. That may not be for others.
>
> I've heard of people getting two of every server they have. Loading it
and
> configuring it exactly like the production server, then pulling it and
> putting it offsite. In the event of disaster, hardware is there, already
> configured. They just need to take their backup and restore whatever was
on
> it, be-it exchange mailboxes, user files, a SQL/Oracle/DB2 database, etc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Turman, David C. [mailto:david_turman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:01 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Backups
>
>
>
>
> I know this has been hashed around, but what do you guys use for
> backup/restore on your servers?
> Not just Term Servers, but everything, too. NT Backup is not much of
> a solution for a large network.
> We just went through several weeks of disaster recovery testing and
> got at best 40% susccess
> rate restoring to unlike hardware, no matter what we did. Win 2000
> was a bit better then NT 4.0 based
> systems, but still miserable. The files and directories come back,
> but the registry entries are sketchy
> at best, usually non-existenet for installed software. Even
> Metaframe had to be reinstalled. We currently
> use Legato, and after a conference call with Gartner, they say
> everyone is in the same boat with
> Mocrosoft. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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