[THIN] Re: Assistance....those using Thin Clients ( WYSE/Comp a q)

Or you can just be like us, and deny web access to 98% of your employees...
If someone has a LEGITIMATE need for web access, then they get a desktop
machine that's locked up with GPOs so they can't break it.  :)
 
I realize this isn't ideal for all situations/employers, but it works GREAT
for us.  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com [mailto:jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:23 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Assistance....those using Thin Clients ( WYSE/Compa q)


Well with a CE or XPembedded client you usually can't write to the core os
files so patching 
"usually" isn't considered an issue to be concerned with.   
However......an upatched browser is still an unpatched browser and if a
virus happens to know how to write to memory instead of disk it can still
wreak havoc on your network by spreading to other machines and servers that
can. 
With these small flash disks on these units it is almost impossible to even
run an AV program on them due to space limitations.  I am just not buying
the concept at this point.  
 
Basically Web browsing is NOT a SBC friendly app, there are too many
javascripts, flash animations etc out there on the web that are required to
have an even workable browsing experience, these technologies work like crap
on a TS/Citrix server so you NEED to have the browser local. You also NEED
to have space on the sytem to have the java, shockwave, adobe etc plugins
and to be able to update those plugins as needed. The best solution is a
hypbrid solution.  A hard disk in a small form factor with TS/Citrix client
locked down by a program like Altiris Protect that keeps the image from
being changed and with an AV client on it like Trend SMB . 
JK

 wrote:

You may not use the local IE, but you still must patch it, correct?

Does CE require as much patching (security) as other OS? I don't believe
so. 

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jeff Malczewski
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:11 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Assistance....those using Thin Clients (WYSE/Compaq)

We use WYSE CE-based thin clients.. There are NO local peripherals, every
printer in the place is on the network, and EVERYTHING the user needs is
contained within the TS environment.

We went so far with our Win9x clients as to modify the system.ini file and
change the shell from explorer.exe to mstsc.exe.. That way, the machine
comes up, boots to the nasty green-ish background, and then connects
directly to TS. We only use the OS on the box to hijack it's video drivers
and TCP/IP stack. No local printers, don't use the local IE, nothing.


On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:51:33 -0600, Scott Skrogstad wrote:
> Then I would suggest the Capio NeoLinux units. Disk space is not an 
> issue and local printing is not an issue. They do have limitted USB 
> support and have a parallel port.
> 
> The nice thing about Neoware is they will send you one to try for 30 
> days for FREE...
> 
> Scott
> 
> ----------------------Original message------------------- Only thing 
> we typically connect to them are either a Serial or parallel printer 
> on some. I know to be sure to get a few with parallel for that 
> application.
> 
> Interesting thought Jim. I had not thought about the disk space 
> issue, as that is the issue we have on our current Despros, lack of 
> disk for ptaches and such, so we rebuild as DOS.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Skrogstad [mailto:scott@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:44 AM
> To: Schneider, Chad M; thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [THIN] Assistance....those using Thin Clients
> (WYSE/Compaq)
> 
> We use and sell the Neoware Capio product. We have had great results 
> with the NeoLinux based verions. Very straight forward units and very 
> inexpensive. The big question in used a XP or XPE based unit is what 
> devices are you going to attach to them, ie. Palm Pilots, Web Cams, 
> and USB scanners. Things like that require an XP or XPE operating 
> system to get them attached and useable by the software.
> 
> Scott
> 
> ----------------------Original message------------------- I finally 
> have management looking seriously at replacing some of our Deskpro 
> 2000/4000's with thin clients.
> 
> Mentality up until recently was to spend a few bucks more and get a 
> full PC.
> 
> Big thing I am wondering about is patching of the thin clients. IE, 
> OS, etc. Some machines we have rebuilt as DOS clients, which allows 
> us to avoid such client side patching. No Virus Scan, no M$ patches, 
> etc.
> 
> I see Linux thins, I see XP SP2 thins, I see CE thins....., Windows 
> based clients have IE6, now, I would assume that things like XP, IE, 
> even CE would still need patching. If so, does the use of the 
> management software make this more feasible?
> 
> Forgive my ignorance on this issue.
> 
> Chad M. Schneider
> Technology Analyst
> Bemis Company, Inc.
> 920-303-7609
> "Just because you can, does not mean that you should."
> 
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