[THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free XenServer

  • From: "Dave Mishchenko" <Dave.Mishchenko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:08:38 -0800

>> Because its only 'free' when you have an SPLA

 

I was under the impression that MS Hyper-V Server 2008 was free to
anyone (no SA / SPLA requirement).

 

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:21 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

Eh?  Software Assurance is something you pay for to get free upgrades to
purchased products.  Doesn't have anything to do with licensing
quantities.

 

From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:56 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

Microsoft has a different program call Software Assurance for that.

 

Joe

 

From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:24 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

Does the SPLA and SAL thing work for a regular business who is just
hosting systems for their own employees?  Or Is it strictly for true
hosting providers who provide services to paying customers.

 

From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:55 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

Yes it does, but the SPLA is on a SAL basis (SAL=CAL, sort of). If you
have 10 users using your hosted systems, using W2K8, then you pay for 10
SALS *no matter how many servers you have*. So it is fine to have 6 file
server, 2 dc, 2 dns, 20  ts, 4  hyper-v, and the W2K3/8 bit of those
licences is all covered by the SAL cost. 

 

Again, *if* you're hosting MS apps, you *will* be paying the SAL cost in
pretty much every case, which makes Hyper-V effectively free. If you're
running Linux it isn't, clearly.

 

The 10 SALs, BTW, will cost ~$5/month - I have a UK price list so don't
take that as too rigid but gives a general idea.

 

From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Andrew Wood
Sent: 25 February 2009 15:41
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

Because its only 'free' when you have an SPLA - and having an SPLA
subjects you to a monthly charge doesn't it?

 

 

From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: 25 February 2009 14:35
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

Cool, I didn't realize that....

 

So now that Hyper-V is effectively free why would someone choose that
versus XEN?

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Nick Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:26 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

Microsoft's SPLA - effectively a requirement if you're hosting MS apps -
has the side effect of making Hyper-V free for all practical purposes.

 

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Also consider that everyone says that the Microsoft Hyper-V is free,
however, you still have to buy Windows server to get it!! In your cloud
example there are MANY commercial cases where a hypervisor that is
actually free will continue to make economic sense for a long time!!

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:01 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

If you follow groups like
http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/, you will definitely get
the idea that XenSource is the dominating hypervisor within the "Cloud".
Of course Cloud means different things to different people. Not wanting
to take Serguei's comments out of context, but when he says "This will
signal the eventual end of XEN", that will only happen when marketing
rebrand it :-).

 

From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:39 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

 

BTW, don't forget that according to the press releases Xen is "Cloud
Proven", that is my new requirement for all products! :-)

 

 

Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85266

(602) 432-8649

www.thinclient.net

steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:29 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on
free XenServer

 

yeah, i agree.  some pretty strange stuff floating around out there.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Jeremy Saunders
<Jeremy.Saunders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Some bizarre comments indeed. Everyone that's blogged and commented on
this has had some strong opinions. Some border on what could be
ignorance, as hard as they try to put a positive spin on it for
themselves.

 

From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of gareese@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:38 PM
To: Thin
Subject: [THIN] Article: Parallels' Serguei Beloussov speaks out on free
XenServer

 

Interesting read regarding some reaction to the announcement of free
XenServer yesterday.

from Zdnet:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/virtualization/?p=726

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