[THIN] Re: App streaming
- From: "Hamilton, Ronnie" <ronnie.hamilton@xxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:38:59 +0100
thaks Carl,
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Carl Stalhood
Sent: 02 May 2007 17:04
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: App streaming
In addition to the technical advantages of isolation, think about what
it takes to deploy an app to a production Citrix Presentation Server
farm:
* Functionality testing:
o Multi-user
o Non-administrator
* Integration testing:
o does it break the already installed apps
o app compatibility problems
o time for integration testing increases exponentially as the number
of apps installed on the same servers increases
* Stress Testing
* App deployment automation:
o Installation Manager
o Scripting
o Third Party tools
* App configuration automation:
o Group Policy templates
o Scripting
* Documentation
Once the app is ready to be deployed the target servers must have no
user connections at time of deployment.
With streaming the entire app integration process changes:
* Functionality testing is easier since isolation fixes many
security and multi-user problems
* Integration testing is no longer needed due to isolation
* Stress Testing is still required. There is a small performance
hit when using streaming.
* App deployment automation is built into streaming. No need to
repackage, etc.
* App configuration automation is built into streaming. Simply
run the app, configure it the way you want and your configuration
changes will be saved with the app profile.
* Documentation is still required.
With streaming you can make a new or upgraded app available to users in
the middle of the day with no down time.
If you compare the first process with streaming, there are many obvious
cost savings.
If you have a large number of apps, streaming will save you a lot of
time. If your apps change often, streaming will save you a lot of time.
If you have a small number of apps that stay fairly static then local
installs of apps is fine.
One more thing about streaming is that app un-installation is no longer
required. Many Citrix deployments use scripted builds because of the app
uninstall problem (rebuild the server without installing the app that is
no longer needed).
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Hamilton, Ronnie
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:05 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: App streaming
Jeff
Seing as Im new to these features I guess it's a case of pros cons
Pros
Applications that don't work together will work together.
Cons
Overhead
New technology .0 release
A complete rethink in the tried and tested design that we use.
Just been asked to evaluate it on an old server, finding it hard to find
get to grips with defining them on initial review.
Ron
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Sent: 02 May 2007 13:59
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: App streaming
What do you think you are missing?
Nothing must be installed in AIE. That is a choice by you.
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On 5/2/07, Hamilton, Ronnie <ronnie.hamilton@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Steve
>
> You mention the Application Hubin 4.5, Im evaluating 4.5 at the
moment.
>
> But the documentation on the streaming sayes to create a profile and
> store it on a file server
>
> Im I missing something here ?
>
> Also if we havent needed silos with our XP environment does that meen
> std installs hould be ok.
>
> I know there a ctx article that says that office and SAP are supported
> in AIE
>
> I take it this just meens citrx supports these apps not necessarly
> that they must be installed in AIE.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
> Sent: 02 May 2007 00:23
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: App streaming
>
>
> Jeff are you still seeing startup delays with the new Application Hub
> (streaming) feature? It looks to me like the improved that a lot in
> 4.5.....
>
> Steve Greenberg
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:39 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: App streaming
>
> yes the new one is better but as with any product like this you will
> see overhead resource wise.
>
> As to your question of appstream vs standard AIE, it's toss up and
> really only you can answer that question. It will really depend on
> what your looking for. For instance, streaming is a great way to
> collapse and eliminate silo's. but it will take a bit longer for
> applications to start.
>
> Jeff Pitsch
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
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> On 5/1/07, Hamilton, Ronnie <ronnie.hamilton@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi ,
> >
> > Anyone using the App streaming feature in 4.5 , Im in the middle of
> > evaluating a move for XP to 4,5 new build .
> >
> > Should I be looking at App streaming to the citrix server or the new
> version
> > of the isolation environment.
> >
> > We currently have nearly 20 different apps installed on citrix
> > servers
> using
> > a published desktop.
> >
> > Any views on these new technologies would be greate.
> >
> > I have read that the onl application env wasent greate. Is the newer
> > one better ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ronnie
> >
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