[THIN] Re: App Window Appearing on Console instead of Session
- From: Jeremy Saunders <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:00:57 +0800
Yeh I known...I was just taking the p1ss :)
From my knowledge, most Agencies around town either use a Cisco or
Checkpoint firewall as their Internet facing firewall..
I haven't tested the Checkpoint Client, but I can tell you that the Cisco
VPN Client works well. Whilst a user can launch it in their session, the
VPN connection is server based. As it's an IPSEC solution, it changes the
routing table. There are tricks to get it working on Windows 2003, but it
does work really well. So as long at the "Agency" can accept the fact that
once a session is up, all users on the Citrix server will have access to
their network, then this will work fine.
In our case, every user must authenticate via the Aventail client, as they
are all given different levels of access, hence the reason why it must be
session based.
I think that the CAG with the AAC and PS Farm can provide companies with so
much flexibility, that when it comes time to exchanging information or
getting access to each others applications, it's just so simple to
implement and control at both ends, that you just don't run into these
problems.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Infrastructure Technology Services
(ITS) & Cerulean
Global Technology Services (GTS)
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
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Jeremy
Not true about coming to you guys...Paul has just sold us 100K of
packeteer equipment...<grin>
150 clients - ouch! Today, infact I was talking to a partner agency who
was looking at delivering one of their apps via a VPN. Thank fully I
was able to convince him that it would cause us some problems (like your
client) and he now is looking at an alternative solution.
Let us know how you go with the Virtuosso testing. I am sure your
client will not be the only ones who have to deal with this problem.
Regards
Mk
Mark Calleja
Coordinator Network Systems
Network Systems
Dept Housing and Works
(08) 9222 4941
mark.calleja@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
"There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand
binary, and those who don't"
>>> jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx 05/17/06 4:39 PM >>>
Hi Mark,
You're idea is great, but it doesn't really scale :( I also threw that
idea
on the table before realising that this is a requirement for 150 users
to
start with, and it will only grow. Don't really know of the concurrency.
They told me 150, but I'm not convinced that this will be concurrent.
Even
if you had 2 VMware hosts running about 16 or so Windows XP images, it
still becomes a combersome solution.
The info that Steve and Joe provided with Virtuosso is a path that is
going
to be tested. Otherwise the solution will need to be re-achitected. The
problem is that the destination does not trust everyone using the Citrix
server, so a site to site VPN is out of the question. I think it's quite
a
unique situation. Politics!
Nice to see your're thinking outsside the box. No wonder why you guys
don't
come to us for help :)
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Infrastructure Technology Services
(ITS) & Cerulean
Global Technology Services (GTS)
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
Visit us at
http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its
P: +61 8 9261 8412 F: +61 8 9261 8486
M: TBA E-mail:
jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx
"Mark CALLEJA"
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Jeremy
I was thinking about your problem last night and wondered about running
a Virtual Server/Workstation within a CTX session. This way the
Aventail's driver will be installed on the VM instance and not on the
CTX server. YOu then would need to use the VMRCC to interact with the
VM install and the client could be published on various servers with the
workstation/s hosted on multiple machines. I do not think you will be
able to RDP to the VM workstation as it may chomp all links except the
VPN ( accidently found this out when testing AAC from home...)
A little outside the box.....
HTH
Mk
Mark Calleja
Coordinator Network Systems
Network Systems
Dept Housing and Works
(08) 9222 4941
mark.calleja@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
"There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand
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>>> jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx 16/05/2006 11:04:33 am >>>
How cool! Just reading up on it now. The app we are having trouble with
is
the Aventail client. So there is a need for users to connect to an
external
company via Aventail's SSL VPN solution. Once we are over this hurdle,
I
wonder if Virtuozzo will also be clever enough to handle the SSL VPN
connections by session and not server???
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Infrastructure Technology Services
(ITS) & Cerulean
Global Technology Services (GTS)
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
Visit us at
http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its
P: +61 8 9261 8412 F: +61 8 9261 8486
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We are working the exact same issue with a customer now. Since the app
needs
to be offered in a multi-use environment we are testing virtuzzo to
deliver
it. The developers from SWSoft have done a custom build which allows
the
app
to use a virtual RDP console session. So far, it is still rough but
shows
promise....
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:39 PM
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Subject: [THIN] App Window Appearing on Console instead of Session
Hi All,
Got a "badly" written app, that when run from a user session only
appears
on the server console session! Any ideas on how I can control this, if
at
all possible?
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Infrastructure Technology Services
(ITS) & Cerulean
Global Technology Services (GTS)
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
Visit us at
http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its
P: +61 8 9261 8412 F: +61 8 9261 8486
M: TBA E-mail:
jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx
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