[THIN] Re: 64 bit experience - repost
- From: "Andrew Wood" <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:08:37 +0100
Alan,
Bernhard Tritsch did great presentation on 64 bit for TS at the last
pubforum.
iirc the findings were essentially that the 64 bit environment didn't really
offer any additional benefit at present - in fact there could be more effort
involved in being an early adopter almost without gain. Issues identified
included getting device drivers for printers, and other hardware, anti-virus
support wasn't available from all vendors. He highlighted the fact that a
lot of existing apps are going to have to run in the windows on windows
emulation to allow the fact that they're 32 bit apps. You obviously can't
have anything older - 16bit apps won't run. This wow functionality for many
apps increased resource consumption. There were issues with the fact that
they've messed around with the system32/program files directories that can
lead to some applications not working correctly and being cumbersome to
install or not working at all.
More importantly, he load tested the same desktop app suite in a 32 and 64
bit environment. While the 64 bit environment could allow more sessions to
be created the apps in those (extra) sessions did not work well and were
very unreliable. Getting a user count that was reliable meant that you were
hitting about the same user count as with win32. He showed that the testing
M$ did to get the large amount of sessions working was performed over a
large amount of time - when you tried to get many users on in a short time
the environment did not hold up as well.
I wish I had a copy of the powerpoint :( it was a very compelling argument
to sitting tight until more apps were available natively on the x64
platform.
hth
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Michael Pardee
Sent: 08 June 2006 14:37
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: 64 bit experience - repost
very close here. As we build our new PS4 Farm I challenged the team to do
as much with the 64 bit version as possible. I think we are just rolling.
I'll report back anything we find.
On 6/8/06, Hutchinson, Alan <Alan.Hutchinson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No takers? I was hoping to provoke some discussion - either I'm way
behind the times and evrybody is using this or (and I can't believe
this) I'm slightly ahead of the game, or everybody has got one in their
labs and is keeping quiet ..........
Regards,
Alan.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On
Behalf Of Hutchinson, Alan
Sent: 07 June 2006 16:17
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] 64 bit experience
Well, as far as I can see this hasn't been aired for a couple of months
so I'm wondering what the experience is out there. I have the
opportunity for a completely new build on a new infrastructure and am
toying with a simultaneous 32 and 64 PS server build to see how it goes.
I've seen the following :
CTX105744 - but this is dated October last year and can't immediately
see any updates to this and the only thing that puts me off under
functionality not supported is 'Oracle' without any further explanation.
KB282423 - again a few months old. The bits that concern me with this
one relate to MDAC (but on re-reading may not be an issue), and '64 bit
I.E. cannot load 32-bit ActiveX controls' - which may be the killer.
I was encouraged by Brian Maddens article
http://www.brianmadden.com/content/content.asp?id=518 about 'dropping' a
64 bit PS server into an existing 32 farm. Although long term I don't
particularly fancy running a mixed farm.
Thoughts, discussions, opinions, real experience please.
Regards,
Alan.
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