[THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions

I called the AMC Manager out at iForum regarding the dual console thing.  He 
basically said that you really don't need one console to do everything and many 
customers prefer to have multiple consoles (just like Microsoft MMCs) for 
security purposes.  I said, "that's fine and all, but if you're going to have 
multiple consoles it would makes sense to have certain functions aligned in the 
same console.  Why do I have to go to the PSMC console to create a Load 
Evaluator and then go to the AMC to assign it?  That and one console is JAVA 
based and the other is a MMC."  That shut him up.  It was funny to watch him 
dig deep into pocket for a response and coming up short.

You know, Novell did the same thing with nwadmn32.  It was slow as a turtle and 
after years of refining, it was fast and great.  By that time the time it was 
usable, they switch to ConsoleOne and that was horribly slow.  In the end, you 
had to use both nwadmn32 and ConsoleOne.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
mach1-70@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:18 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions

I tested / deployed parts of PS 4.5 in a new farm...I didn't risk introducting 
4.5 into my 4.0 farm and I am glad that I didn't...I echo all the concerns from 
below and then some as I experienced them as well....Some additional issues 
that I experienced was random lockups / lots of seamless issues (if you can't 
be on the bleeding edge of the client version then you will have issues)...The 
taskbar issue below was the straw for us as we applied all the fixes / rollups 
that Citrix support could throw at us and it did not resolve the issue...We 
have had a case open with escalation for months in regards to installation 
manager....I have never opened so many support cases as I have for 4.5...The 
AMC is crap and dog slow compared to the CMC and you have to use both....One 
other post I read here said it quite accurately...If you do not need the 
features that 4.5 brings then steer clear...Our organization is not persuing 
4.5 - hopefully all the bugs are corrected by ver 5


From: "Selinger, Stephen" <SSelinger@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2007/11/30 Fri AM 11:26:30 CST
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions

Could you please expand on: "Make sure you check the PS 4.5 Load evaluators 
in the PS 4.5 CMC. These have Load Throttling enabled and this isnt visible in 
the PS 4 CMC. The default load throttling settings can cause some interesting 
results at logon time"Â What interesting results have you seen? What was your 
workaround to these issues if any? Thanks!
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
M
Sent:November 29, 2007 2:20 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:[THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions

My little bit of input ..... As well as what has been mentioned and depending 
on your Farm components / design. Always test first before introducing to your 
live Farm. Have you got a test farm to test with ? The majority of the CMC 
functions have moved to the AMC and this can be quite confusing if you havent 
used it before.Some functions still remain in the PS 4.5 CMC - Installation 
Manager Package deployment, Load Evaluators, Printer settings,RM Summary 
Database settings, Isolation Environments , Some Zone settings remain as well. 
If you use Resource Manager update your RM server before your application 
servers.Also be aware of the following with PS 4.5 RM 
http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX113003&printable=trueÂ; Keep the PS 4.5 
servers in seperate Zones from the PS 4 servers. Dedicate ZDCs if you can ( 
depends on farm size / design etc etc)Â Test your Applications first with PS 
4.5 Rollup 1. Rollup 1 breaks some applications and you may get issues with 
applications that cover the taskbar. Post Rollup 1 patches fix these issues. 
The Citrix foums have lots of interesting posts about broken applications. 
Review the Post Rollup 1 hotfixes. Installation Manager is broken with PS 4.5 
. Rollup 1 also needs a private hotfix if your pushing MSI files with 
transforms and / or you have an IM account with a large number of characters or 
the password has non std characters (this didnt get fixed properly in rollup 
1). Read the Rollup 1 read me as well. Applications published in the PS 4.5 
Access Management Console cannot be modified by the PS 4 CMC. You also cant 
drag a published app created in the PS 4.5 AMC to a server in the PS 4 CMC. PS 
4.5 Policies have new features that arent visible in the PS 4 CMC. Check out 
the Speedscreen options (lossy compression). Make sure you check the PS 4.5 
Load evaluators in the PS 4.5 CMC. These have Load Throttling enabled and this 
isnt visible in the PS 4 CMC. The default load throttling settings can cause 
some interesting results at logon time. If your using 64 bit 2003 + PS 4.5 the 
hotfixes release dates can lag a bit behind the 32 bit versions. Have fun.... 
i did    ----- Original Message -----   From:  Matthew   McComas   To: 
thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx   Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:21   PM  Subject: 
[THIN] 4.0 to 4.5 questions  
    
Greetings:  
   
According to the Citrix web site upgrading from CPS 4.0 to   4.5 appears to be 
very seamless…I have a few questions however that perhaps   one of you can 
answer:  
   
1.         When you install CPS 4.5 on a server and join it to   the CPS 
4.0 farm does it upgrade the CPS 4.0 database in any   way?  
2.         Rather than having a big upgrade weekend, I was   considering 
building a 4.5 image, and just rolling it out to our servers a few   at a time, 
until all are converted.  At what point should the ZDC be   upgraded, or does 
this even matter?  
3.         Are there any other “gotchas” we should be aware of   when 
planning the deployment?  (BTW – our farm is running on Server 2003   R2 / 
fully patched up)  
   
Thanks,  
   
Matt McComas  
Information Technology  
Westdale Asset Management, Ltd.  
 
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