[THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8

Uh Migration to XP FR1 on NT 40, there is no FR3 for nt.
And just for sake of the database I would install ONE win2k or windows
2003 FIRST, and use that with FR3 install to create the data store.
Then connect your 4.0 XP boxes to that DS.=20
Just my opinion

Ron Oglesby
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rallo, Tony [mailto:Tony.Rallo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:35 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8

Thanks to everyone for the help.  I think I will go with the migration
to XP
FR3 on the 4.0 boxes first.  I can put the infrastructure in, test a few
boxes, then upgrade the rest in a weekend.  Then I can upgrade to 2003
and
XP FR3 fairly easily.  I can do this at my leisure - one or two a day.
I
don't use the installation management feature so that shouldn't be an
issue
either.  Thanks again for the help.

Anthony Rallo
NT Systems Administrator III
773-399-7552
tony.rallo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

US Cellular
Chicago Corporate Office


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:48 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8

I like the new farm idea myself. Build parallel farms and use NFuse to
aggregate the apps, of course if this is not possible (like a couple of
my clients) I did it the other way.

For the 2003 server. I love it. We are piloting it in a couple of places
with only a couple of prod servers here and there. The big clients move
a little slower. When you have 300 Citrix servers they are slow on the
decision then want it shifted in 30 days :-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mack, Rick [mailto:RMack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8

Hi Ron,
I've had issues with running in mixed mode, with IMS occasionally
disgracing
itself by unloading apps. Ugly when it's the main corporate app ;-).

Upgrading 1.8 to XP is a much nicer solution from that viewpoint and
it's
not very difficult. Upgrade 1 system to handle the IM info and build the
farm (generally via a dedicated MB) and then de-install 1.8 and install
XP
FR1 on the production servers. That's fairly easy to script.

Nevertheless I've only done a few (NT 4.0 > 2003) sites so far so I'd
really
like to gain some insight from your experiences.=3D20

Regards,

Rick

Ulrich Mack
rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Volante Systems
18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
Queensland Australia
tel +61 7 32467704



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 7:22 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8


Inline Rick,

If part of the upgrade was implementing folder redirection and hybrid
profiles?

Well if he had used roaming profiles I would have used the migration as
a
good time to implement a mandatory solution with hybrids to get around
the
whole Nt 40/2003 profile combination problems. But with local profiles
he
doesn't need it.


What if your application delivery didn't include nfuse, what if the
upgrade
has to be transparent?

You can still use the PN clients browsing the farm with a mixed mode
(interopability mode) farm where the 1.8 and XP server farms are named
the
same etc.=3D3D20

NT 4.0 TSE/metaframe XP FR1 and Server 2003/Metaframe XP FR3 co-exist
quite
well.

Oh yeah I haven't done the nt40 and 2003 yet but the 2000 and nt 40 I
have
in my larger farms work well (with profile segregation)

I've migrated about over a hundred IM/IMS packages from NT 4.0 to Server
2003 so far and then only issues have been with missing older Jet and
DAO
components which are easy to add to the IM package.=3D3D20

Packages can be easy I didn't assume he would have a problem with the
packages.

Server 2003 is actually easier than Windows 2000 in terms of application
compatibility. Per-user file associations "almost" work perfectly
(bloody
Autodesk!).


Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mack, Rick [mailto:RMack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:15 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8

Hi Ron,
Do you want to justify your comments?

If part of the upgrade was implementing folder redirection and hybrid
profiles?

What if your application delivery didn't include nfuse, what if the
upgrade
has to be transparent?

NT 4.0 TSE/metaframe XP FR1 and Server 2003/Metaframe XP FR3 co-exist
quite
well.

I've migrated about over a hundred IM/IMS packages from NT 4.0 to Server
2003 so far and then only issues have been with missing older Jet and
DAO
components which are easy to add to the IM package.=3D3D20

Server 2003 is actually easier than Windows 2000 in terms of application
compatibility. Per-user file associations "almost" work perfectly
(bloody
Autodesk!).

Regards,

Rick

Ulrich Mack
rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Volante Systems
18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
Queensland Australia
tel +61 7 32467704



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 12:04 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8


Hmmm..

I wouldn't do that, but that's just my opinion.

I mean it can get complicated depending on your current profile strategy
but
I would use this as a chance to do some new profile stuff as =3D
well.=3D3D3D20

Anyway I would use NFuse to front the two different farms. Then use (as
stated in the list previously) a variable to assign the profile path
based
on The OS or implement a flex/hybrid profile.

The reason I say do this at once is that you may wind up doing two
migrations or one migration with some additional work. I would prefer
one
migration for my sanity, and that of the users.

Ron

Ron Oglesby
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Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mack, Rick [mailto:RMack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:49 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8

Hi Anthony,
Upgrade your existing 1.8 farm to XP first. It's be worth your while to
come
up wih a strategy for handling separate profiles for the 2 O.S.s. Then
you
can mix and match. NT 4.0 to 2003 is relatively painless, as long as you
don't want to migrate SQL and Exchange as well ;-).

Regards,

Rick

Ulrich Mack
rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Volante Systems
18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
Queensland Australia
tel +61 7 32467704



-----Original Message-----
From: Rallo, Tony [mailto:Tony.Rallo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 5:55 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8


I am on NT4 TSE and MF 1.8 for reasons beyond my control (political).  I
am
putting a plan together to upgrade to MFXP.  I would like to be able to
upgrade the NT 4.0 servers to 2003 with MF 1.8, and then do an MFXP
migration.  I have over 100 servers to upgrade (myself) - so I have to
do
this in stages that will not interrupt the business and will be seamless
to
the users. =3D3D3D20

Anthony Rallo
NT Systems Administrator III


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:40 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: 2003 and MF 1.8

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No, why?  Why are you still on MF 1.8?

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Does anyone know if Citrix will make MF 1.8 available for 2003 server?
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