Will have to short out his "eprom" before going home, don't want any sensitive stuff leaving the shop, especially "copyrighted". Silly me...... -Ed- Tel-Tek Electronics Midland, Ont. Canada. teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx "Quality will be remembered, long after Price is forgotten" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > I was just joking around, however I know someone with a photographic memory > and after viewing schematics he still knows the circuits by heart in some > sets, who owes the copyright fees?? since he still has a copy in his head. > > Phillip R Hull > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:03 PM > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > > In the situation you mention, the shop is the purchaser and the user, so > the > > use by various employees is within the scope of the purpose for which the > > manual was sold. > > Jerry Silverman > > Greentron Inc > > 4 Newland Ave > > Greenville SC 29609 > > 864 232 3889 > > Fax 271 2080 > > mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:15 PM > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > > > > > > It looks like alot of shops are going to be out of business, some have > > > bought one schematic of a ctc132 and atleast 50 techs over the years > have > > > used the same schematic. They must owe thousands of dollar in fees just > > for > > > this one schematic. I guess we will have to close up too. > > > Phillip R Hull > > > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:44 PM > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can lend it, sell it, shread it, stomp on it, burn it. You just > cant > > > > copy it in any form legally. Same as copywrited software. You can put > it > > > > into your computer. Even put it into your new computer if you retire > the > > > old > > > > one. But you are not supposed to put it into computers primarily used > by > > > > other persons. Companies that buy software for use in a number of > > > computers > > > > are supposed to pay seperately for each copy. You can buy a special > > > license > > > > from the publisher that may permit you to make a specific number of > > copies > > > > for a specific purpose, if they wish to offer it. > > > > Jerry Silverman > > > > Greentron Inc > > > > 4 Newland Ave > > > > Greenville SC 29609 > > > > 864 232 3889 > > > > Fax 271 2080 > > > > mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:47 AM > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If another technician in your shop needed a print that you had would > > you > > > > > lend it to him, (her)? Sure you would! So this "shop" has 800 > > > technicians, > > > > > right? > > > > > End of discussion, please! > > > > > Jim Myers > > > > > Telrad Electronic Services Co. > > > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815 > > > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice > > > > > Fax is always on > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "mark brock" <brock@xxxxxxx> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:54 AM > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think they mean you can't sell there copy of the print, I.e. > " > > > not > > > > > for profit " so lend it or copy it but dont' sell it. ok, maybe > > I'm > > > > > reading more into it than there really is but they made the print to > > > make > > > > > the machine, it doesn't cost much but paper and ink to copy it, > > we're > > > > > helping the mfg. out by being able to repair the junk they make. I > > can > > > > > tell you that many people will not purchase an item if it can't be > > > > repaired, > > > > > so prints are for the good of the mfg. as for me If I have a > > print > > > > and > > > > > can help someone out, they're welcome to it, it certainly doesn't > > > bother > > > > > me in the least. I also take tips > > > > > brock > > > > > Brock Electronics > > > > > R.R.4 box 237 > > > > > Independence Ks. 67301 > > > > > 620-331-0235 > > > > > fax 331-7191 > > > > > > > > > > brock@xxxxxxx > > > > > mailto:brock@xxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:50 PM > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't believe that personal use stuff. (I don't really follow > > > > > >copyright laws, but thats another story). On most copyrights I've > > read > > > > > >they say something to the affect that you can not copy, whole or in > > > > > >part, for any reason. I bet Bill Gates wouldn't allow you to copy > > > > > >Windows for a buddy even though it's not for money. When you copy a > > > > > >schematic, the publisher is losing money, whether it's to fix your > > own > > > > > >TV or a customers TV. I'll even go one step further. If you loan a > > > > > >schematic to someone, even if it is to be returned to you, the > > > publisher > > > > > >is losing money on a sale because your friend doesn't have to go > buy > > it > > > > > >himself. > > > > > > > > > > > >I also think the publishers do a decent job of ripping us off. I > paid > > > > > >$100.00 CDN for an RCA projection service manual, so I say they > stole > > > > > >from me. Ya, I know. I'm helping to pay for all the manuals that > are > > > > > >copied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gary McCartney > > > > > > > > > > > >McCartney Electronics > > > > > >7134 Fife Rd, RR 7 > > > > > >Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4 > > > > > >Fax: (519)821-1530 > > > > > >email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Wayne Vanaman wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I just looked at a Panasonic, copywrite; TCE, copywrite; JVC, > > > > copywrite; > > > > > >> Mitsubishi-No copywrite. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As far as including service data with each set, when there are > high > > > > > failure > > > > > >> rates that might be reasonable. If failure rates are low it is a > > > > waste. > > > > > It > > > > > >> appears to me, the best I can tell, that RCA has about a 2.5-3% > in > > > > > warranty > > > > > >> failure rate. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As far as libraries with copy machines, back to what Paul said: > > > > personal > > > > > >> use, not for profit. I bet if you were "caught" making copies > and > > > then > > > > > >> charging for repairs you made using that information you could be > > > > > >> prosocuted. The question is, would it be worth it to the > > > > > >> Manufacturer/Publisher to chase you down. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> There are many illegal activities that go un-persecuted. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Wayne Vanaman > > > > > >> Omega Electronics > > > > > >> 6904 W Fairfield Dr > > > > > >> Pensacola, Fl. 32506-3310 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 850-456-5995 voice > > > > > >> 850-458-6369 fax > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mailto:Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:16 PM > > > > > >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > If they go back to including a manual with each set sold, > nobody > > > > would > > > > > >> > have to make a copy, so there wouldn't have to be a copyright > > law. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Now all this talk about libraries having the Sams manuals, how > do > > > > they > > > > > >> > justify allowing everyone to make copies?? Why does every > > library > > > > even > > > > > >> > have a photocopier? It seems to me almost anything found in a > > > library > > > > > >> > would be protected under copyright law, so it seems strange > that > > > > > >> > libraries are helping everyone break the law. Oh well, better > for > > > us > > > > > >> > anyways. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Gary McCartney > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > McCartney Electronics > > > > > >> > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7 > > > > > >> > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4 > > > > > >> > Fax: (519)821-1530 > > > > > >> > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Doug Keller wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > There should be no "copyright" laws on service literature, > > unless > > > > > they > > > > > >> want to > > > > > >> > > go back to including a service manual with each set sold. > > > > > >> > > Doug > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Paul Gendreau wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Walter: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > When then material is shared the profit comes from use of > the > > > > > >> material. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > No, you don't make a profit when you share a manual. But > the > > > > > person > > > > > >> who > > > > > >> > > > uses it does when he collects money from a customer, and > that > > > was > > > > > >> money lost > > > > > >> > > > to the person who was owed for the copyright. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Best regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > --== Paul ==-- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > Paul R. Gendreau, Jr. > > > > > >> > > > Tel: 207-490-1835 > > > > > >> > > > Fax: 207-490-1893 > > > > > >> > > > Email: Paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > http://www.servicesoftware.com > > > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of walter > > > wood > > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:08 PM > > > > > >> > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact > > > cost? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > I'm also a musician, and you can bet that the > > > > > >> > > > copyright laws are well known to us. > > > > > >> > > > The bottom line on copying, be it tape or > > > > > >> > > > photocopy, to determine legality, hinges on profit. > > > > > >> > > > If the copies are for personal use, and/or there is > > > > > >> > > > NO profit made on the deal, then no law is broken. > > > > > >> > > > As I interpet that, we can share our resources and > > > > > >> > > > knowledge as much as we want, but the minute > > > > > >> > > > someone charges as much as a penny, that is > > > > > >> > > > copyright infringement. > > > > > >> > > > And, of course, the manufacturers don't want > > > > > >> > > > equipment repaired anyway. > > > > > >> > > > For that matter neither do the retailers, and > > > > > >> > > > discount stores. > > > > > >> > > > Everyone simply wants to profit selling new junk. > > > > > >> > > > Walter--- Jim Myers <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Probably not exactly legal but I agree with Ed, I > > > > > >> > > > > don't think any of the > > > > > >> > > > > manufacturers really care if we do this anyway. > > > > > >> > > > > At least their products are > > > > > >> > > > > getting repaired in the field. > > > > > >> > > > > Jim Myers > > > > > >> > > > > Telrad Electronic Services Co. > > > > > >> > > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815 > > > > > >> > > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice > > > > > >> > > > > Fax is always on > > > > > >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:16 AM > > > > > >> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams > > > > > >> > > > > photofact cost? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > My thinking on this is, since TechAssist is being > > > > > >> > > > > run on a voluntary basis, > > > > > >> > > > > implementing a service such as this would be more > > > > > >> > > > > time consuming for the > > > > > >> > > > > guys that only have so many hours in a day, 32 > > > > > >> > > > > the last time I checked. > > > > > >> > > > > Plus charging a fee for Service Literature would > > > > > >> > > > > infringe on copyright of > > > > > >> > > > > the companies involved. Paying these companies > > > > > >> > > > > for use of their material > > > > > >> > > > > would again show their greed. > > > > > >> > > > > Keep the sharing of Service info on a > > > > > >> > > > > peer-to-peer basis, If I have it, your > > > > > >> > > > > welcome...If you have it..I'm welcome. > > > > > >> > > > > This is one of the reasons Tech's go to a > > > > > >> > > > > Peer Group like TechAssist, > > > > > >> > > > > help is being supplied on a personal basis. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -Ed- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > > Reply-To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:55:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >> > > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? > > > > > >> > > > > RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Gary; Think again. I DO buy SAMS, I just don't > > > > > >> > > > > > subscribe. I suspect that most other non > > > > > >> > > > > > subscribers buy on an as needed basis as I do. > > > > > >> > > > > > Also consider the help that some of us render > > > > > >> > > > > from > > > > > >> > > > > > PartsFinder, Z-tips, WinsTips, Jeff's tip CD, > > > > > >> > > > > and > > > > > >> > > > > > the thousands of dollars of factory schematics > > > > > >> > > > > that > > > > > >> > > > > > we are forced to buy to remain ASC's. > > > > > >> > > > > > Also, it's pretty easy to tell who is a pro, > > > > > >> > > > > and > > > > > >> > > > > > who isn't. > > > > > >> > > > > > Also, I received tons of help from the > > > > > >> > > > > established > > > > > >> > > > > > techs when I started out 33 years ago. > > > > > >> > > > > > Helping out the newcomers is a way to pay back. > > > > > >> > > > > > Saw a great movie the other day called "Pay it > > > > > >> > > > > > Forward." > > > > > >> > > > > > Might have a message here. > > > > > >> > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > >> > > > > > Walter > > > > > >> > > > > > --- Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> What about the 400 list members who wouldn't > > > > > >> > > > > pay > > > > > >> > > > > >> for the subscription. > > > > > >> > > > > >> How would they be filtered out of the benefits > > > > > >> > > > > of > > > > > >> > > > > >> receiving help from > > > > > >> > > > > >> other members who do pay for the schematics? > > > > > >> > > > > It > > > > > >> > > > > >> would be too hard for > > > > > >> > > > > >> each of us to keep track of who is eligable to > > > > > >> > > > > >> receive schematic > > > > > >> > > > > >> assistance and who wouldn't be. The other > > > > > >> > > > > thing > > > > > >> > > > > >> that could be done is > > > > > >> > > > > >> make Tech Assist a pay service of $100.00 per > > > > > >> > > > > >> year and the schematic > > > > > >> > > > > >> service would be automatically included in > > > > > >> > > > > that > > > > > >> > > > > >> price. > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> Gary McCartney > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> McCartney Electronics > > > > > >> > > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7 > > > > > >> > > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4 > > > > > >> > > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530 > > > > > >> > > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> Bill S wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Two thoughts; ?? > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> With treasure chest schematics and with tips > > > > > >> > > > > >> like Winstip, CD tech disc and > > > > > >> > > > > >>> other things being available for us, I would > > > > > >> > > > > >> assume that $840.00 cost per > > > > > >> > > > > >>> year for subscription is kinda a waste.... > > > > > >> > > > > BUT > > > > > >> > > > > >> as near as I can tell, there > > > > > >> > > > > >>> are libraries that will listen to the public > > > > > >> > > > > >> about those things that the > > > > > >> > > > > >>> good ole public would like to have in their > > > > > >> > > > > >> library. In Minnesota, if the > > > > > >> > > > > >>> local branch did not have the right sams, > > > > > >> > > > > then > > > > > >> > > > > >> you could order out of the > > > > > >> > > > > >>> main branch (Minneapolis) and it would be > > > > > >> > > > > sent > > > > > >> > > > > >> to you "photo copied" at no > > > > > >> > > > > >>> cost. > > > > > >> > > > > >>> But a new thought?????????? > > > > > >> > > > > >>> There is in the music industry a 'flat user' > > > > > >> > > > > >> fee for music that is used in > > > > > >> > > > > >>> the church. So if a choir or a church used a > > > > > >> > > > > >> 'copyrighted' song, then the > > > > > >> > > > > >>> royalties were paid a one time fee to a > > > > > >> > > > > >> clearing house that specializes in > > > > > >> > > > > >>> just that type of thing. There is a license > > > > > >> > > > > >> number that is assigned to that > > > > > >> > > > > >>> church organization for the use of that > > > > > >> > > > > >> material. > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Nowww what would happen if "we the techs" > > > > > >> > > > > were > > > > > >> > > > > >> to subscribe to Techassist > > > > > >> > > > > >>> schematic clearing house (kinda like what we > > > > > >> > > > > do > > > > > >> > > > > >> in support for internet fee > > > > > >> > > > > >>> that is paid to Techassist). If I needed a > > > > > >> > > > > CTC > > > > > >> > > > > >> 177 print and I had paid a > > > > > >> > > > > >>> yearly fee of $100.00 (as an example) and the > > > > > >> > > > > >> print was either faxed or > > > > > >> > > > > >>> emailed and the clearing house would pay a > > > > > >> > > > > >> royalty fee to RCA and so on. > > > > > >> > > > > >>> This would offer us an advantage at being > > > > > >> > > > > more > > > > > >> > > > > >> legitimate legally speaking, > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Answers the critics of copyrights, Offer us > > > > > >> > > > > >> better more timely resources, > > > > > >> > > > > >>> and helps support each other in a way that > > > > > >> > > > > may > > > > > >> > > > > >> allow for us to answer > > > > > >> > > > > >>> questions about problems rather than looking > > > > > >> > > > > up > > > > > >> > > > > >> prints and such. We could > > > > > >> > > > > >>> even contribute to the library as it were. > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Granted there would be a lot of work. I read > > > > > >> > > > > >> that the list is up to 800 > > > > > >> > > > > >>> plus members and say for example if 400 > > > > > >> > > > > people > > > > > >> > > > > >> paid the $100.00 yearly fee, > > > > > >> > > > > >>> that would be $40,000 per year to run this > > > > > >> > > > > >> thing. > > > > > >> > > > > >>> My two bits... > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Bill Sorensen > > > > > >> > > > > >>> New Life Video & Audio > > > > > >> > > > > >>> billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > > > > >>> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" > > > > > >> > > > > >> <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:23 PM > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact > > > > > >> > > > > cost? > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> With all you guys unsubbing, no wonder the > > > > > >> > > > > >> price keeps going up. But > > > > > >> > > > > >>> that's > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> pretty high for a monthly charge. > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> -Ed- > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> Tel-Tek Electronics > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> Midland, Ont. Canada. > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> "Quality will be remembered, long after > > > > > >> > > > > Price > > > > > >> > > > > >> is forgotten" > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> From: "al" <al@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:29 PM > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact > > > > > >> > > > > >> cost? > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> I unsubbed,it will take years for me to > > > > > >> > > > > >> notice.For $70. per monthg I can > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> order whatever I need,price was too high. > > > > > >> > > > > >> Comments? al > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> Al Leatherman > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> Mine Hill, NJ 07803 > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> 973-361-5796 > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> WWW.ALS-TV.NET > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> From: "Dan Garris" <dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:18 PM > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Sams photofact cost? > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> I am a long-time Sams Photofacts > > > > > >> > > > > >> subscriber and presently paying $70 > > > > > >> > > > > >>> per > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> month for sub. UPS is $3.84. SO my > > > > > >> > > > > >> Monthly total for my Sams sub is > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> $73.84 > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> How much are other shops here in the > > > > > >> > > > > >> group paying? Many local shops > > > > > >> > > > > >>> I've > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> spoken to have long canceled their sub. > > > > > >> > > > > >> Prices keep rising also on the > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> Sams > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> sub. But I like the sub rather than the > > > > > >> > > > > >> online method. Any comments > > > > > >> > > > > >>> from > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> other shops on the group here? > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Dan Garris > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Garris TV > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> 3104 Neuse Blvd. > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> New Bern, NC. 28560-4116 > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> 252-638-4477 voice > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> 252-635-2772 fax > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Mailto:dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Chat with friends online, try MSN > > > > > >> > > > > >> Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > > > >> > > > > >>> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > > > >> > > > > >>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > > > >> > > > > >>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> Gary McCartney > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> McCartney Electronics > > > > > >> > > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7 > > > > > >> > > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4 > > > > > >> > > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530 > > > > > >> > > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > > > >> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > > > >> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > > > >> > > > > >> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ===== > > > > > >> > > > > > Walter Wood > > > > > >> > > > > > Future Tech Home Center > > > > > >> > > > > > 2786 Hwy. 43 N. > > > > > >> > > > > > Lawrenceburg Tn. 38464 > > > > > >> > > > > > 931-829-3337 > > > > > >> > > > > > Fax 931-829-4044 > > > > > >> > > > > > mailto:wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > >> > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > >> > > > > > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! 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> > Wis-Kel Electronics want to do and what you want to > be, > > > but > > > > > >> > > 101 Freeland Ave. don't be afraid to be willing to > pay > > > > > >> > > Terra Alta, WV the price" > > > > > >> > > USA 26764 > > > > > >> > > 1-304-789-3165 > > > > > >> > > dek@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > > > >> > > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > > >> > > ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > > > >> > > Submit Repair Tips here: > > > > > >> > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Gary McCartney > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > McCartney Electronics > > > > > >> > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7 > > > > > >> > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4 > > > > > >> > Fax: (519)821-1530 > > > > > >> > email: 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