[TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
- From: "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:24:51 -0400
For these companys that do care about repairs, they sure make a hassle to
get parts and manuals and tech assistance on new and older sets. I think if
they really cared they would open all the information and parts selling to
anyone in a legit business instead of just ASC. There is a lot of
competition for sales but not service.
Phillip R Hull
phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:40 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
>
> If you take a look at the corporate structure of many of the brand names
you
> will see that the parts, service, literature, customer relations, and
> warranty fufillment are handled by a separately incorporated company, for
> example Sony Service Company, Panasonic Service Company, Sanyo Fisher
> Service Corporation. These companies are expected to make a profit for the
> parent company or else---. These companies DO care about repairs, selling
> copywrited literature, supporting service centers. But they have no
control
> over the product design or sales. They dont care what something sells for.
> They just know they have to charge so much for a part or for service
> literature to make the profit that they need to survive. If they decide to
> set up distributors, there is a income windfall on parts sales as the
> pipeline fills. Since the parent organization determines the cost to the
> parts division, the price on the parts increases to cover the distributors
> markup, and the parts division increases the prices to the service centers
> to support the distributors.
> A few of the brands do not handle these things through a separate
> corporation. Their parts are not sold through distributors and the price
of
> their parts and literature is low compared to the others. Some
distributors
> do their own importing and buy the parts elsewhere, usually the country of
> origin, to get around the domestic arrangements.
>
> Jerry Silverman
> Greentron Inc
> 4 Newland Ave
> Greenville SC 29609
> 864 232 3889
> Fax 271 2080
> mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:25 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
>
>
> >
> > I agree with Phil. And it's getting to the point it is almost the same
> cost to
> > just go ahead and buy new, what with the overinflated parts we have to
> buy.
> > Doug
> >
> > "Phillip R. Hull" wrote:
> >
> > > Problem is the manufactures do not want them repaired in the field.
> They
> > > want to sell only new units,
> > > Phillip R Hull
> > > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:41 AM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Probably not exactly legal but I agree with Ed, I don't think any of
> the
> > > > manufacturers really care if we do this anyway. At least their
> products
> > > are
> > > > getting repaired in the field.
> > > > Jim Myers
> > > > Telrad Electronic Services Co.
> > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815
> > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice
> > > > Fax is always on
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:16 AM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My thinking on this is, since TechAssist is being run on a voluntary
> > > basis,
> > > > implementing a service such as this would be more time consuming for
> the
> > > > guys that only have so many hours in a day, 32 the last time I
> checked.
> > > > Plus charging a fee for Service Literature would infringe on
copyright
> of
> > > > the companies involved. Paying these companies for use of their
> material
> > > > would again show their greed.
> > > > Keep the sharing of Service info on a peer-to-peer basis, If I have
> it,
> > > your
> > > > welcome...If you have it..I'm welcome.
> > > > This is one of the reasons Tech's go to a Peer Group like
> TechAssist,
> > > > help is being supplied on a personal basis.
> > > >
> > > > -Ed-
> > > >
> > > > > From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Reply-To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gary; Think again. I DO buy SAMS, I just don't
> > > > > subscribe. I suspect that most other non
> > > > > subscribers buy on an as needed basis as I do.
> > > > > Also consider the help that some of us render from
> > > > > PartsFinder, Z-tips, WinsTips, Jeff's tip CD, and
> > > > > the thousands of dollars of factory schematics that
> > > > > we are forced to buy to remain ASC's.
> > > > > Also, it's pretty easy to tell who is a pro, and
> > > > > who isn't.
> > > > > Also, I received tons of help from the established
> > > > > techs when I started out 33 years ago.
> > > > > Helping out the newcomers is a way to pay back.
> > > > > Saw a great movie the other day called "Pay it
> > > > > Forward."
> > > > > Might have a message here.
> > > > > Respectfully
> > > > > Walter
> > > > > --- Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What about the 400 list members who wouldn't pay
> > > > >> for the subscription.
> > > > >> How would they be filtered out of the benefits of
> > > > >> receiving help from
> > > > >> other members who do pay for the schematics? It
> > > > >> would be too hard for
> > > > >> each of us to keep track of who is eligable to
> > > > >> receive schematic
> > > > >> assistance and who wouldn't be. The other thing
> > > > >> that could be done is
> > > > >> make Tech Assist a pay service of $100.00 per
> > > > >> year and the schematic
> > > > >> service would be automatically included in that
> > > > >> price.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > > >>
> > > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Bill S wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Two thoughts; ??
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> With treasure chest schematics and with tips
> > > > >> like Winstip, CD tech disc and
> > > > >>> other things being available for us, I would
> > > > >> assume that $840.00 cost per
> > > > >>> year for subscription is kinda a waste.... BUT
> > > > >> as near as I can tell, there
> > > > >>> are libraries that will listen to the public
> > > > >> about those things that the
> > > > >>> good ole public would like to have in their
> > > > >> library. In Minnesota, if the
> > > > >>> local branch did not have the right sams, then
> > > > >> you could order out of the
> > > > >>> main branch (Minneapolis) and it would be sent
> > > > >> to you "photo copied" at no
> > > > >>> cost.
> > > > >>> But a new thought??????????
> > > > >>> There is in the music industry a 'flat user'
> > > > >> fee for music that is used in
> > > > >>> the church. So if a choir or a church used a
> > > > >> 'copyrighted' song, then the
> > > > >>> royalties were paid a one time fee to a
> > > > >> clearing house that specializes in
> > > > >>> just that type of thing. There is a license
> > > > >> number that is assigned to that
> > > > >>> church organization for the use of that
> > > > >> material.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Nowww what would happen if "we the techs" were
> > > > >> to subscribe to Techassist
> > > > >>> schematic clearing house (kinda like what we do
> > > > >> in support for internet fee
> > > > >>> that is paid to Techassist). If I needed a CTC
> > > > >> 177 print and I had paid a
> > > > >>> yearly fee of $100.00 (as an example) and the
> > > > >> print was either faxed or
> > > > >>> emailed and the clearing house would pay a
> > > > >> royalty fee to RCA and so on.
> > > > >>> This would offer us an advantage at being more
> > > > >> legitimate legally speaking,
> > > > >>> Answers the critics of copyrights, Offer us
> > > > >> better more timely resources,
> > > > >>> and helps support each other in a way that may
> > > > >> allow for us to answer
> > > > >>> questions about problems rather than looking up
> > > > >> prints and such. We could
> > > > >>> even contribute to the library as it were.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Granted there would be a lot of work. I read
> > > > >> that the list is up to 800
> > > > >>> plus members and say for example if 400 people
> > > > >> paid the $100.00 yearly fee,
> > > > >>> that would be $40,000 per year to run this
> > > > >> thing.
> > > > >>> My two bits...
> > > > >>> Bill Sorensen
> > > > >>> New Life Video & Audio
> > > > >>> billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics"
> > > > >> <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:23 PM
> > > > >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact cost?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> With all you guys unsubbing, no wonder the
> > > > >> price keeps going up. But
> > > > >>> that's
> > > > >>>> pretty high for a monthly charge.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -Ed-
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > >>>> Midland, Ont. Canada.
> > > > >>>> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> "Quality will be remembered, long after Price
> > > > >> is forgotten"
> > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>>> From: "al" <al@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:29 PM
> > > > >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact
> > > > >> cost?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I unsubbed,it will take years for me to
> > > > >> notice.For $70. per monthg I can
> > > > >>>>> order whatever I need,price was too high.
> > > > >> Comments? al
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>>>> Al Leatherman
> > > > >>>>> Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > > > >>>>> 973-361-5796
> > > > >>>>> WWW.ALS-TV.NET
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>>>> From: "Dan Garris" <dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > > >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Sams photofact cost?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I am a long-time Sams Photofacts
> > > > >> subscriber and presently paying $70
> > > > >>> per
> > > > >>>>>> month for sub. UPS is $3.84. SO my
> > > > >> Monthly total for my Sams sub is
> > > > >>>>> $73.84
> > > > >>>>>> How much are other shops here in the
> > > > >> group paying? Many local shops
> > > > >>> I've
> > > > >>>>>> spoken to have long canceled their sub.
> > > > >> Prices keep rising also on the
> > > > >>>>> Sams
> > > > >>>>>> sub. But I like the sub rather than the
> > > > >> online method. Any comments
> > > > >>> from
> > > > >>>>>> other shops on the group here?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Dan Garris
> > > > >>>>>> Garris TV
> > > > >>>>>> 3104 Neuse Blvd.
> > > > >>>>>> New Bern, NC. 28560-4116
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> 252-638-4477 voice
> > > > >>>>>> 252-635-2772 fax
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Mailto:dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>
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> > > > >> --
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > > >>
> > > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
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