[TechAssist] Re: [Update 9-16-02] T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - [Repair or replace "E" board]

  • From: "Damon" <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:57:02 -0500

I think so, take a marker and mark them. One set of rings will adjust beam
center/landing which is like taking a super bright sharp dot and centering
it in a fuzzy cloudball and making sure the 2 are round, not football
shaped. Best I can do to describe it.


----- Original Message -----
From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Update 9-16-02] T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid
leakage - [Repair or replace "E" board]


>
> There are 2 sets of rings on the neck of the CRT.
> I assume the one closest to the yoke is the centering rings.
> Is this correct ?
> I don't want to change the adustments on the Green, and the Red, because
> they are still working normal.
> All I need to do, is drop the Blue about 1 inche. Blue Left, and right are
> also working.
>
> Thanks,
> LLW
>
> LeRoy Westlund
> Westlund TV & Electronics          " It's such a pretty world
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Monday, September 16, 2002 6:52 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Update 9-16-02] T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid
> leakage - [Repair or replace "E" board]
>
>
> >
> >Man I musta had schematics on this troubleshooting expedition! I
certainly
> >didn't have that come off the top of my head.
> >
> >Concerning the convergence, the most obvious thing to occur is the
> centering
> >magnets DO MOVE on the Crts. The mechanical focus is not very likely to
> >change, but I don't know if you kept the Crts in it's frame assy or not.
> >I'll assume you did.
> >
> >I think the first thing to do is to electrically recenter the convergence
> >crosshairs on all 2 Crts, then using string from the corners, form an X
on
> >the screen to find center. If you have a crosshair generator use that
mode
> >to center all 3 CRTS. Once you've got the red/blue customer controls
> >centered, use the centering magnets to recenter the crosshair signal on
all
> >3.
> >
> >Make note that the Blue CRT must be slightly DEFOCUSED to create a NON
> >Harsh-edged picture, and the White balance will look yellowish if it's
too
> >focused or too tight. I generally will use cross hair or preferably the
> >white section of the EIA color bar to balance the focus (electrically
that
> >is...)
> >
> >Since you did remove the lens to replace the Crt,. it is possible that it
> >was mounted wrong, but i doubt that. They fit or they don't. It is
possible
> >the lens adjust may be off, once again doubtful, but as a last resort, if
> >it's too fuzzy with the electrical focus, readjust the mechanical
> >focus.(You'll have to adjust size and linearity any time you adjust mech
> >focus).
> >
> >I think the KEY POINT is the fact that the centering rings are the most
> >likely reason you can't match up the RGB crosshairs, and I'd center my
> >attention on that First and Foremost.
> >
> >Good luck
> >
> >Damon Brunger
> >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Telrad Electronic Services
> >Ft Wayne, IN 46815
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 12:25 AM
> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Update 9-16-02] T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid
> >leakage - [Repair or replace "E" board]
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Damon,
> >> Your MY Sony man from now on !
> >> The Mos-Fet transistor Q808 was indeed causing the high voltage "E"
board
> >to
> >> shut down. I replaced Q808, and Q806 (again), and the set came on in a
IK
> >> shut down mode, with a Horz line at the bottom of all 3 CRTs.
> >> I tweeked the screen adjust for my NEW Blue CRT (That I just
> >> replaced),....and everything started working.
> >> I was deflecting my picture off the ceiling, so I couldn't tell how far
> >off
> >> my Blue adjustments might be. So,...I took the set back to the
> >> home,....reinstalled the CRT Array, and the chassis,..and proceeded to
> >fine
> >> tune the blue convergence, etc.
> >> >From the customer convergence menu,...the Blue bar seems to have
plenty
> >of
> >> adjustment range (about 2 inches), but will not go far enough in the
down
> >> direction to converge onto the green horz bar, to obtain proper
> >convergence.
> >> Also,...the blue is out of focus too far.
> >> I adjusted the focus lens on the blue CRT, and improved it a little,
but
> >not
> >> satisfactory.
> >> I tried adjusting the convergence rings on the Blue CRT,...and connot
> >> improve the blue convergence to satisfactory level.
> >> At this point, I told the customer, I better have the set in the shop,
> >where
> >> I can take my time, to adjust the Blue Focus, and convergence. He
> >> agreed,...and now the set is here in the shop.
> >> Looking down into the Blue CRT directly, I can see a bright half moon
on
> >the
> >> vertical edge (about an inche long). I am thinking that I either have a
> >> defective replacement CRT, or a cracked lens.
> >> But,...on the other hand,...is it possible that I just have the
> >adjustments
> >> too far out of range ? I tried to mark, and place the convergence
> magnets,
> >> and the focus lens, and the yoke, so I would have a very minimal fine
> >> tunning to do. I can't imagine it could be  that far off.
> >> Any directions for centering the blue, onto the green cross bars, would
> be
> >> very helpful at this point.
> >>
> >> Still struggling with this one,..
> >> Thanks again to Damon,...and also to all others who have followed this
> >> repair thread, and have tried to help me.
> >> LLW
> >>
> >> LeRoy Westlund
> >> Westlund TV & Electronics          " It's such a pretty world
> >> 93 North Main                                          today !....
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> >> Ph./Fax  435-528-3822                               :-)
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> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:28 AM
> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage -
> >> [Repair or replace "E" board]
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >You probably blew Q806 because you disconnected the HV block, there's
> >> >feedback on conn 904 pin 3 to Ic903. I suspect that the Mosfet I
> >mentioned
> >> >in a 2nd post may be causing the decaying voltage because it regulates
> >the
> >> >Q806 output via the emitter of Q806. No feedback and ....Q806 gets all
> >the
> >> >voltage! The Mosfet is nothing more than a variable resistor so it
> >> >limits/adjusts current flow thru Q806.
> >> >
> >> > The drive signal for this circuit comes from Conn 351 pin 1 and loops
> >thru
> >> >Cn 884 pin 5 to 6. You should have this on at all times, possibly
during
> >> >shutdown too. It's obvious your feedback line from HV Block works
since
> >it
> >> >blew Q806 when it was disconnected. Mosfet is an N-channel insulated
> gate
> >> (I
> >> >think, arrow points IN, part is IRF1640LF). I guess I learned
something
> >> too,
> >> >don't disconnect HV Block in RA1 chassis. IT's Highly important that
you
> >> >have + and - 15 at Cn 881 pin 3 and 5 and +/- 12V  out of IC 905 /
906,
> >> make
> >> >sure those are present or shutdown occurs. Yank q806 and you may be
able
> >to
> >> >check these MUST HAVES.
> >> >
> >> >Damon Brunger
> >> >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >Telrad Electronic Services
> >> >Ft Wayne, IN 46815
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 6:58 PM
> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage -
> >> >[Repair or replace "E" board]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, Damon,
> >> >> Now I have to eat my own words. Sorry,..but, I do NOT have high
> voltage
> >> >> afterall.
> >> >> It comes on for about one second,...then fades away.
> >> >> I thought it was there all this time, cause I could hear it come in.
> >> >> The set is going into high voltage shut down.
> >> >> I disconnected, and isolated the input to the splitter, and it blew
my
> >> >high
> >> >> voltage output Q806 again.
> >> >> I have just about decided to replace the board, IF I can find one.
> I'll
> >> >> start looking come Monday morning.
> >> >> "E" board number A1343248A.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for your time,
> >> >> LLW
> >> >>
> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics          " It's such a pretty world
> >> >> 93 North Main                                          today !....
> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           Look at the Sunshine. "
> >> >> Ph./Fax  435-528-3822                               :-)
> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Date: Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:38 PM
> >> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid
leakage -
> >> >> [Repair or replace "E" board]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ok got some info here for you:::   T803 is a separate Transformer
for
> >> >> >heater/200v as you said, it's signal source is CN884, pin 6 (looks
> >like
> >> >> it's
> >> >> >looped back to pin 5, is it?)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pin 6/CN884 goes to BE of q810,  to BC of q801, which drives pin
7/6
> >of
> >> >> >T802. Pin 2/3 of T802 drives BE of q806 and collector drives Pin 1
of
> >> >T803.
> >> >> >135 V to Primary is supplied to pin 9, out to pin 6, in to 4 before
> it
> >> >> comes
> >> >> >out to Pin 1.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pin 13 is connected to 135V, and pin 11 takes that, along with AC
to
> >> >> convert
> >> >> >it to 200V, Heater is an isolated winding on T803, all go to Cn 802
> >> which
> >> >> >heads over to Red Crt.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If you know for sure you have High Voltage, then Q806 and all
> >described
> >> >> >circuitry should be functioning as the HV xfmr is in parallel with
> >T803,
> >> >so
> >> >> >check Pin 9 for 135V and continuity from 9 to 6, 6 to 4, and 4 to
1.
> >It
> >> >> uses
> >> >> >2 separate windings in series with each other as the Primary and
> >that's
> >> >> it's
> >> >> >path to Q806 output.
> >> >> >HTH
> >> >> >Damon Brunger
> >> >> >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >Telrad Electronic Services
> >> >> >Ft Wayne, IN 46815
> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:38 AM
> >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid
> leakage -
> >> >> >[Repair or replace "E" board]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Damon,
> >> >> >> In this case I have High voltage. The 200 volts, and the filiment
> >> >> voltages
> >> >> >> are missing,...and they come from a seperate transformer, that is
> >> >driven
> >> >> >by
> >> >> >> the horz. drive. The high voltage comes from the SAME horz drive
> >that
> >> >> >> developes the 200 volts , and the filiments. The 200 volt source
is
> >> >> really
> >> >> >> not LOW,(it is missing),...because the 130 volts that I am
reading
> >is
> >> >> from
> >> >> >> the 130 volt B+ pwr. supply source. It is feeding back through
the
> >> >ckts,
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >> the 200 volt supply line.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >From what you are saying,...I guess it is NOT a 1 K problem.
> >> >> >> At this point, I'm not sure what it is. It's becoming more
> difficult
> >> to
> >> >> >> explain all the time.
> >> >> >> I know I should replace the "E" board,...but, I have been told
from
> >> one
> >> >> >> source that it is NLA. I will try other sources,...come monday
> >> morning.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> >> LLW
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
> >> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics          " It's such a pretty world
> >> >> >> 93 North Main                                          today
!....
> >> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           Look at the Sunshine. "
> >> >> >> Ph./Fax  435-528-3822                               :-)
> >> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> Date: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:22 AM
> >> >> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid
> >leakage -
> >> >> >> [Repair or replace "E" board]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >If you're talking about an "IK" shutdown problem, your HV and
> >> >filaments
> >> >> >> >would be alive, but your video would be blanked, no signal to
> >> >cathodes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Your 200V supply to the cathodes can come from 2 sources in
> today's
> >> >> sets,
> >> >> >> >and since I don't have the schematics in front of me, I'll just
> say
> >> >that
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >IHVT source may have a leaky cap or partially open resistor. If
it
> >> >comes
> >> >> >> >from the SMPS, it may be the same thing, but I don't think Sony
> >> >> >redesigned
> >> >> >> >their chassis to use the Smps as that supply source. Of course
low
> >> >200V
> >> >> >> >won't allow a proper IK pulse to be developed, thus blanking
your
> >> >video.
> >> >> >No
> >> >> >> >way to disable this feed back circuit.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Damon Brunger
> >> >> >> >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >Telrad Electronic Services
> >> >> >> >Ft Wayne, IN 46815
> >> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> >To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:07 PM
> >> >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid
leakage -
> >> >> >[Repair
> >> >> >> >or replace "E" board]
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hey guys,
> >> >> >> >> Is it normal to have a 1K shut down problem on a Sony PTV,
after
> >> >> >> replacing
> >> >> >> >> the Blue CRT, for leakage ?
> >> >> >> >> I think that is my problem. I have double checked the "E"
board.
> >I
> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> removed the cable sockets, and cleaned under them. There is NO
> >> fluid
> >> >> >> >leakage
> >> >> >> >> on any of the other boards. The 130 volts I am reading, is the
> B+
> >> >> >voltage
> >> >> >> >> from the pwr. supply module. This voltage won't come up to 200
> >> >Volts,
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >> >I
> >> >> >> >> won't get my filiment voltage, if it is in 1K shutdown. Right
?
> >> >> >> >> Can I disable the 1K shut protect ckt, long enough to see if
> that
> >> is
> >> >> >> >indeed
> >> >> >> >> my problem ?  How can I go about doing this ?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> LLW
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> LeRoy Westlund
> >> >> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics          " It's such a pretty world
> >> >> >> >> 93 North Main                                          today
> >!....
> >> >> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           Look at the Sunshine. "
> >> >> >> >> Ph./Fax  435-528-3822                               :-)
> >> >> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >> From: LeRoy Westlund <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> >> To: TechAssist <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> >> Date: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:06 AM
> >> >> >> >> Subject: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - [Repair or
replace
> >> "E"
> >> >> >> >board]
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Hi Techs.
> >> >> >> >> >I have this Sony PTV model KP53S25. I replaced the Blue CRT
> >> because
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> fluid
> >> >> >> >> >leakage. The fluid had dripped onto the "E" board. It made a
> >> >> >> contaminated
> >> >> >> >> >spot, about 3" in diameter. I cleaned the board with
> Chemtronics
> >> >> >> >> "Tuno-wash"
> >> >> >> >> >with a small brush,...then I sprayed it with Techspray video
> >head
> >> >> >> >> >cleaner,...and let it dry. It looked great. Nice and
> >clean,...and
> >> >no
> >> >> >> more
> >> >> >> >> >signs of contamination that I can see.
> >> >> >> >> >I replaced the shorted HVOT Q806 ( used original Sony part
> >> >> >number),..and
> >> >> >> >> >replaced the 2 transistors (Q601 amd Q602),and the fused (.1
> >ohm)
> >> >> >> >resistor
> >> >> >> >> >in the pwr. supply. Turned the set on,.....B+ came up to 130
> >> volts,
> >> >+
> >> >> >> >and -
> >> >> >> >> >15 volts are good,...High voltage came in OK. Problem
is,...the
> >> >CRTs
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> >not light up, due to the 200 volt source from the "E" board
is
> >> only
> >> >> at
> >> >> >> >130
> >> >> >> >> >volts. Also,...filiments do not light.(They also come from
the
> >"E"
> >> >> >> >board).
> >> >> >> >> >If I disconnect the plug that delivers the 200 volts to the
Red
> >> CRT
> >> >> >> >socket
> >> >> >> >> >module,...it will read 200 volts for a few seconds,...then
> >starts
> >> >> >> >counting
> >> >> >> >> >down and stabilizes at about 150 volts.
> >> >> >> >> >I have double checked all components and solder joints etc,
on
> >the
> >> >> "E"
> >> >> >> >> >board,...but, cannot find anymore problems with it.
> >> >> >> >> >At this point,....I am looking to replace the board,....but,
if
> >I
> >> >am
> >> >> >> >> >overlooking something simple,...I wish someone could point me
> in
> >> >the
> >> >> >> >right
> >> >> >> >> >direction. You could sure save me a lot of time, and $$$.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Any help is appreciated,
> >> >> >> >> >LLW
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >LeRoy Westlund
> >> >> >> >> >Westlund TV & Electronics          " It's such a pretty world
> >> >> >> >> >93 North Main                                          today
> >!....
> >> >> >> >> >Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           Look at the Sunshine. "
> >> >> >> >> >Ph./Fax  435-528-3822                               :-)
> >> >> >> >> >mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
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