I think so, take a marker and mark them. One set of rings will adjust beam center/landing which is like taking a super bright sharp dot and centering it in a fuzzy cloudball and making sure the 2 are round, not football shaped. Best I can do to describe it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Update 9-16-02] T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - [Repair or replace "E" board] > > There are 2 sets of rings on the neck of the CRT. > I assume the one closest to the yoke is the centering rings. > Is this correct ? > I don't want to change the adustments on the Green, and the Red, because > they are still working normal. > All I need to do, is drop the Blue about 1 inche. Blue Left, and right are > also working. > > Thanks, > LLW > > LeRoy Westlund > Westlund TV & Electronics " It's such a pretty world > 93 North Main today !.... > Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 Look at the Sunshine. " > Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 :-) > mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx > > -----Original Message----- > From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: Monday, September 16, 2002 6:52 AM > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Update 9-16-02] T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid > leakage - [Repair or replace "E" board] > > > > > >Man I musta had schematics on this troubleshooting expedition! I certainly > >didn't have that come off the top of my head. > > > >Concerning the convergence, the most obvious thing to occur is the > centering > >magnets DO MOVE on the Crts. The mechanical focus is not very likely to > >change, but I don't know if you kept the Crts in it's frame assy or not. > >I'll assume you did. > > > >I think the first thing to do is to electrically recenter the convergence > >crosshairs on all 2 Crts, then using string from the corners, form an X on > >the screen to find center. If you have a crosshair generator use that mode > >to center all 3 CRTS. Once you've got the red/blue customer controls > >centered, use the centering magnets to recenter the crosshair signal on all > >3. > > > >Make note that the Blue CRT must be slightly DEFOCUSED to create a NON > >Harsh-edged picture, and the White balance will look yellowish if it's too > >focused or too tight. I generally will use cross hair or preferably the > >white section of the EIA color bar to balance the focus (electrically that > >is...) > > > >Since you did remove the lens to replace the Crt,. it is possible that it > >was mounted wrong, but i doubt that. They fit or they don't. It is possible > >the lens adjust may be off, once again doubtful, but as a last resort, if > >it's too fuzzy with the electrical focus, readjust the mechanical > >focus.(You'll have to adjust size and linearity any time you adjust mech > >focus). > > > >I think the KEY POINT is the fact that the centering rings are the most > >likely reason you can't match up the RGB crosshairs, and I'd center my > >attention on that First and Foremost. > > > >Good luck > > > >Damon Brunger > >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Telrad Electronic Services > >Ft Wayne, IN 46815 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> > >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 12:25 AM > >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [Update 9-16-02] T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid > >leakage - [Repair or replace "E" board] > > > > > >> > >> Damon, > >> Your MY Sony man from now on ! > >> The Mos-Fet transistor Q808 was indeed causing the high voltage "E" board > >to > >> shut down. I replaced Q808, and Q806 (again), and the set came on in a IK > >> shut down mode, with a Horz line at the bottom of all 3 CRTs. > >> I tweeked the screen adjust for my NEW Blue CRT (That I just > >> replaced),....and everything started working. > >> I was deflecting my picture off the ceiling, so I couldn't tell how far > >off > >> my Blue adjustments might be. So,...I took the set back to the > >> home,....reinstalled the CRT Array, and the chassis,..and proceeded to > >fine > >> tune the blue convergence, etc. > >> >From the customer convergence menu,...the Blue bar seems to have plenty > >of > >> adjustment range (about 2 inches), but will not go far enough in the down > >> direction to converge onto the green horz bar, to obtain proper > >convergence. > >> Also,...the blue is out of focus too far. > >> I adjusted the focus lens on the blue CRT, and improved it a little, but > >not > >> satisfactory. > >> I tried adjusting the convergence rings on the Blue CRT,...and connot > >> improve the blue convergence to satisfactory level. > >> At this point, I told the customer, I better have the set in the shop, > >where > >> I can take my time, to adjust the Blue Focus, and convergence. He > >> agreed,...and now the set is here in the shop. > >> Looking down into the Blue CRT directly, I can see a bright half moon on > >the > >> vertical edge (about an inche long). I am thinking that I either have a > >> defective replacement CRT, or a cracked lens. > >> But,...on the other hand,...is it possible that I just have the > >adjustments > >> too far out of range ? I tried to mark, and place the convergence > magnets, > >> and the focus lens, and the yoke, so I would have a very minimal fine > >> tunning to do. I can't imagine it could be that far off. > >> Any directions for centering the blue, onto the green cross bars, would > be > >> very helpful at this point. > >> > >> Still struggling with this one,.. > >> Thanks again to Damon,...and also to all others who have followed this > >> repair thread, and have tried to help me. > >> LLW > >> > >> LeRoy Westlund > >> Westlund TV & Electronics " It's such a pretty world > >> 93 North Main today !.... > >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 Look at the Sunshine. " > >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 :-) > >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:28 AM > >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - > >> [Repair or replace "E" board] > >> > >> > >> > > >> >You probably blew Q806 because you disconnected the HV block, there's > >> >feedback on conn 904 pin 3 to Ic903. I suspect that the Mosfet I > >mentioned > >> >in a 2nd post may be causing the decaying voltage because it regulates > >the > >> >Q806 output via the emitter of Q806. No feedback and ....Q806 gets all > >the > >> >voltage! The Mosfet is nothing more than a variable resistor so it > >> >limits/adjusts current flow thru Q806. > >> > > >> > The drive signal for this circuit comes from Conn 351 pin 1 and loops > >thru > >> >Cn 884 pin 5 to 6. You should have this on at all times, possibly during > >> >shutdown too. It's obvious your feedback line from HV Block works since > >it > >> >blew Q806 when it was disconnected. Mosfet is an N-channel insulated > gate > >> (I > >> >think, arrow points IN, part is IRF1640LF). I guess I learned something > >> too, > >> >don't disconnect HV Block in RA1 chassis. IT's Highly important that you > >> >have + and - 15 at Cn 881 pin 3 and 5 and +/- 12V out of IC 905 / 906, > >> make > >> >sure those are present or shutdown occurs. Yank q806 and you may be able > >to > >> >check these MUST HAVES. > >> > > >> >Damon Brunger > >> >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >Telrad Electronic Services > >> >Ft Wayne, IN 46815 > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> > >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 6:58 PM > >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - > >> >[Repair or replace "E" board] > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> OK, Damon, > >> >> Now I have to eat my own words. Sorry,..but, I do NOT have high > voltage > >> >> afterall. > >> >> It comes on for about one second,...then fades away. > >> >> I thought it was there all this time, cause I could hear it come in. > >> >> The set is going into high voltage shut down. > >> >> I disconnected, and isolated the input to the splitter, and it blew my > >> >high > >> >> voltage output Q806 again. > >> >> I have just about decided to replace the board, IF I can find one. > I'll > >> >> start looking come Monday morning. > >> >> "E" board number A1343248A. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for your time, > >> >> LLW > >> >> > >> >> LeRoy Westlund > >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " It's such a pretty world > >> >> 93 North Main today !.... > >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 Look at the Sunshine. " > >> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 :-) > >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> Date: Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:38 PM > >> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - > >> >> [Repair or replace "E" board] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >Ok got some info here for you::: T803 is a separate Transformer for > >> >> >heater/200v as you said, it's signal source is CN884, pin 6 (looks > >like > >> >> it's > >> >> >looped back to pin 5, is it?) > >> >> > > >> >> >Pin 6/CN884 goes to BE of q810, to BC of q801, which drives pin 7/6 > >of > >> >> >T802. Pin 2/3 of T802 drives BE of q806 and collector drives Pin 1 of > >> >T803. > >> >> >135 V to Primary is supplied to pin 9, out to pin 6, in to 4 before > it > >> >> comes > >> >> >out to Pin 1. > >> >> > > >> >> >Pin 13 is connected to 135V, and pin 11 takes that, along with AC to > >> >> convert > >> >> >it to 200V, Heater is an isolated winding on T803, all go to Cn 802 > >> which > >> >> >heads over to Red Crt. > >> >> > > >> >> >If you know for sure you have High Voltage, then Q806 and all > >described > >> >> >circuitry should be functioning as the HV xfmr is in parallel with > >T803, > >> >so > >> >> >check Pin 9 for 135V and continuity from 9 to 6, 6 to 4, and 4 to 1. > >It > >> >> uses > >> >> >2 separate windings in series with each other as the Primary and > >that's > >> >> it's > >> >> >path to Q806 output. > >> >> >HTH > >> >> >Damon Brunger > >> >> >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> >Telrad Electronic Services > >> >> >Ft Wayne, IN 46815 > >> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:38 AM > >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid > leakage - > >> >> >[Repair or replace "E" board] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Damon, > >> >> >> In this case I have High voltage. The 200 volts, and the filiment > >> >> voltages > >> >> >> are missing,...and they come from a seperate transformer, that is > >> >driven > >> >> >by > >> >> >> the horz. drive. The high voltage comes from the SAME horz drive > >that > >> >> >> developes the 200 volts , and the filiments. The 200 volt source is > >> >> really > >> >> >> not LOW,(it is missing),...because the 130 volts that I am reading > >is > >> >> from > >> >> >> the 130 volt B+ pwr. supply source. It is feeding back through the > >> >ckts, > >> >> >to > >> >> >> the 200 volt supply line. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >From what you are saying,...I guess it is NOT a 1 K problem. > >> >> >> At this point, I'm not sure what it is. It's becoming more > difficult > >> to > >> >> >> explain all the time. > >> >> >> I know I should replace the "E" board,...but, I have been told from > >> one > >> >> >> source that it is NLA. I will try other sources,...come monday > >> morning. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks, > >> >> >> LLW > >> >> >> > >> >> >> LeRoy Westlund > >> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " It's such a pretty world > >> >> >> 93 North Main today !.... > >> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 Look at the Sunshine. " > >> >> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 :-) > >> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> From: Damon <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> Date: Sunday, August 25, 2002 7:22 AM > >> >> >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid > >leakage - > >> >> >> [Repair or replace "E" board] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >If you're talking about an "IK" shutdown problem, your HV and > >> >filaments > >> >> >> >would be alive, but your video would be blanked, no signal to > >> >cathodes. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Your 200V supply to the cathodes can come from 2 sources in > today's > >> >> sets, > >> >> >> >and since I don't have the schematics in front of me, I'll just > say > >> >that > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >IHVT source may have a leaky cap or partially open resistor. If it > >> >comes > >> >> >> >from the SMPS, it may be the same thing, but I don't think Sony > >> >> >redesigned > >> >> >> >their chassis to use the Smps as that supply source. Of course low > >> >200V > >> >> >> >won't allow a proper IK pulse to be developed, thus blanking your > >> >video. > >> >> >No > >> >> >> >way to disable this feed back circuit. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Damon Brunger > >> >> >> >damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> >> >Telrad Electronic Services > >> >> >> >Ft Wayne, IN 46815 > >> >> >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 5:07 PM > >> >> >> >Subject: [TechAssist] Update: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - > >> >> >[Repair > >> >> >> >or replace "E" board] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Hey guys, > >> >> >> >> Is it normal to have a 1K shut down problem on a Sony PTV, after > >> >> >> replacing > >> >> >> >> the Blue CRT, for leakage ? > >> >> >> >> I think that is my problem. I have double checked the "E" board. > >I > >> >> even > >> >> >> >> removed the cable sockets, and cleaned under them. There is NO > >> fluid > >> >> >> >leakage > >> >> >> >> on any of the other boards. The 130 volts I am reading, is the > B+ > >> >> >voltage > >> >> >> >> from the pwr. supply module. This voltage won't come up to 200 > >> >Volts, > >> >> >and > >> >> >> >I > >> >> >> >> won't get my filiment voltage, if it is in 1K shutdown. Right ? > >> >> >> >> Can I disable the 1K shut protect ckt, long enough to see if > that > >> is > >> >> >> >indeed > >> >> >> >> my problem ? How can I go about doing this ? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> LLW > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> LeRoy Westlund > >> >> >> >> Westlund TV & Electronics " It's such a pretty world > >> >> >> >> 93 North Main today > >!.... > >> >> >> >> Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 Look at the Sunshine. " > >> >> >> >> Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 :-) > >> >> >> >> mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >> From: LeRoy Westlund <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >> To: TechAssist <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> >> >> Date: Friday, August 23, 2002 10:06 AM > >> >> >> >> Subject: T/A Sony PTV KP53S25 Fluid leakage - [Repair or replace > >> "E" > >> >> >> >board] > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Hi Techs. > >> >> >> >> >I have this Sony PTV model KP53S25. I replaced the Blue CRT > >> because > >> >> of > >> >> >> >> fluid > >> >> >> >> >leakage. The fluid had dripped onto the "E" board. It made a > >> >> >> contaminated > >> >> >> >> >spot, about 3" in diameter. I cleaned the board with > Chemtronics > >> >> >> >> "Tuno-wash" > >> >> >> >> >with a small brush,...then I sprayed it with Techspray video > >head > >> >> >> >> >cleaner,...and let it dry. It looked great. Nice and > >clean,...and > >> >no > >> >> >> more > >> >> >> >> >signs of contamination that I can see. > >> >> >> >> >I replaced the shorted HVOT Q806 ( used original Sony part > >> >> >number),..and > >> >> >> >> >replaced the 2 transistors (Q601 amd Q602),and the fused (.1 > >ohm) > >> >> >> >resistor > >> >> >> >> >in the pwr. supply. Turned the set on,.....B+ came up to 130 > >> volts, > >> >+ > >> >> >> >and - > >> >> >> >> >15 volts are good,...High voltage came in OK. Problem is,...the > >> >CRTs > >> >> >> will > >> >> >> >> >not light up, due to the 200 volt source from the "E" board is > >> only > >> >> at > >> >> >> >130 > >> >> >> >> >volts. Also,...filiments do not light.(They also come from the > >"E" > >> >> >> >board). > >> >> >> >> >If I disconnect the plug that delivers the 200 volts to the Red > >> CRT > >> >> >> >socket > >> >> >> >> >module,...it will read 200 volts for a few seconds,...then > >starts > >> >> >> >counting > >> >> >> >> >down and stabilizes at about 150 volts. > >> >> >> >> >I have double checked all components and solder joints etc, on > >the > >> >> "E" > >> >> >> >> >board,...but, cannot find anymore problems with it. > >> >> >> >> >At this point,....I am looking to replace the board,....but, if > >I > >> >am > >> >> >> >> >overlooking something simple,...I wish someone could point me > in > >> >the > >> >> >> >right > >> >> >> >> >direction. You could sure save me a lot of time, and $$$. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Any help is appreciated, > >> >> >> >> >LLW > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >LeRoy Westlund > >> >> >> >> >Westlund TV & Electronics " It's such a pretty world > >> >> >> >> >93 North Main today > >!.... > >> >> >> >> >Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 Look at the Sunshine. 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