[TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
- From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:07:49 -0500
Hand labor does a poor quality job. Automation is a necessity. They might
not have the latest generation of equipment but they continue upgrading and
the quality improves. They get a lot of modern equipment from their
non-domestic partners. For example Kemet shipped modern equipment from one
of their Mexican plants to their new plant in China. Also they buy a lot of
modern equipment for 5 or 10 cents on the dollar from the production
facilities in the U.S. and Europe that have closed.
Jerry Silverman
Greentron Inc
4 Newland Ave
Greenville SC 29609
864 232 3889
Fax 271 2080
mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin" <kevintv@xxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:43 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> Does this mean that the circuit boards are manufactured by hand in China
> or do they use robotics to assemble the boards? I know the Chinese use
> much more hand labor to build roads etc., than we do here in North
> America. We are big on equipment, they are big on labor.
>
> Kevin Wilks
> Kevin's TV & Video Repair
> Penticton BC Canada
> kevintv@xxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jorge Camboni
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
>
>
> You're right, Keith, behind all this scene you find all those chinese
> workers earning $6 a day (that is the mean salary). And it also applies
> to Indonesia or India or any of the poor and overpopulated countries in
> the world (not only Asia) that all of a sudden aquire a blazing
> popularity
> within the manufacturing industry because of the super-low salaries and
> almost-no-taxes. Nearly starving people are willing to work for peanuts.
> Millions of jobs are being lost WORLDWIDE, not only in USA and Canada,
> and the vast majority of those jobs went to China. In South America,
> for instance, Philips closed most of their factories and move them to
> China several years ago, along with other european major brands.
> People who decided those big moves may be european, american,
> chinese, korean, japanese or canadian... It does not matter, they're
> after the big profit. Of course, in the long run salaries salaries start
> to climb and costs starts to rise (look at Japan, Korea and Taiwan, for
> instance)
> and the big companies start to look for another place to move to..
> On the long run, those huge markets will grow and start to buy whatever
> they
> need from the rest of the world (us).
> I see no solutions at this moment, I think we MUST begin by analyzing
> in-depth
> how and why those things are hapenning, in order to be able to
> correct whatever is possible to correct on the medium and long run.
> There is a vey interesting book named "The information age" (3 volumes,
> beginning by "The rise of the network society") by Manuel Castells, from
> this
> books we can pick up several clues in order to understand the actual
> word's trends (haven't finished reading it myself :o)))..
> just my 1 1/2 cents
> Jorge
>
>
>
> At 09:07 a.m. 16/12/03 -0600, you wrote:
> >Just one problem ED, Thomson wasn't forced to sell out. The Chinese
> were
> >given an opportunity that they jumped on. The Asians haven't stole
> anything
> >that we haven't first given up. Thomson decided to give up those 1200
> jobs,
> >they are the ones that didn't give a crap about those families. I agree
> with
> >you on all of your other points, but most of us also want those $9.00
> >Wal-mart shirts made in Bangladesh as opposed to US made product at
> double
> >the price. If no body bought it, the product AND it's MANUFACTURER
> would not
> >exist.
> >Keith Trumbla
> >BEM Electronics Inc.
> >Suite 212-530 Century St.
> >WPG. MB. R3H 0Y4 Canada
> >Ph.204.775.2875 Fax.204.774.9192
> >www.bemelectronics.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:25 AM
> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> >
> >
> > > Thomson in US eliminated 1200 jobs, which went to China. That's 1200
> > > people, and families which quite likely will go unto some form of
> > > Government assistance. I don't think that there is any way of
> turning
> > > this around. Unless some branch of government gets involved. May
> have to
> > > sidestep some patent right, open a few large factories to
> manufacture
> > > this stuff, pay the workers a "reasonable" wage, keep the unions
> out.
> > > Market the product for Homeland consumption. Give a proper Warranty,
> > > have spare parts available. Sell at slightly more than cost of
> > > production. This gives jobs to those that want them, and stimulates
> the
> > > economy. Maybe use the billions we spend overseas, helping
> countries,
> > > that really don't want our help, and revitalize our own interests
> for a
> > > change.
> > > I realize this sounds over simplistic. But I would rather own
> > > one "good" VCR, and pay $300 for it, then have 3 Orion's at $69 in
> my
> > > Wall Unit, so I have 2 backups.
> > > Think of the joy of picking up the phone, calling the Parts
> > > Department, or Service Department, and some one saying, How ya all
> doing
> > > this morning"..that in itself would be worth the extra money.
> > >
> > > -Ed-
> > >
> > > Ed Gaidies
> > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > Ontario-Canada
> > >
> > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Keller
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:00 AM
> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> > >
> > > Or they will just absorb and take us over the way they have our
> > > manufacturing.
> > >
> > > Doug Keller
> > > Wis-Kel Electronics
> > > 101 Freeland Ave.
> > > Terra Alta, WV
> > > USA 26764
> > > dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > http://www.tech-assist.org
> > > "Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> > > won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tel-Tek Electronics wrote:
> > >
> > > >I can't understand why someone, wiser then us guys, can not see the
> > > >shifting trend of All electronics being manufactured by the Asians.
> I
> > > >wonder how much of our defense equipment, including missile
> tracking,
> > > >satellite technology, CRT and LCD displays in our tanks and
> fighting
> > > >vehicles, Night Vision technology, etc, depends on parts from
> China,
> > > >Korea and other Asian countries. How will we get news updates from
> CNN,
> > > >if we can't get parts for our
> > > >NEC's...Goldstars...Sanyo's...Daewoos...Orions...and now RCA and GE
> > > >TV's. How much of our Electrical grid depends on monitoring systems
> > > made
> > > >in China and the likes. If we continue to depend on technology from
> > > >outside North America, we better not "pixx" these countries off. Or
> we
> > > >will find many things on Backorder in the future.
> > > >
> > > >-Ed-
> > > >
> > > >Ed Gaidies
> > > >Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > >Ontario-Canada
> > > >
> > > >teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of walter wood
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:49 AM
> > > >To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> > > >
> > > >Seems to me that Goldstar was the CRT supplier when
> > > >Zenith was having such a bad time of it with the
> > > >"soft short" taking out all the main boards, and
> > > >the sets being "Not worth fixing".
> > > >That was pretty much all the '90's.
> > > >I never could figure out why Zenith didn't find
> > > >another CRT supplier.
> > > >I guess that was a way to tear zenith down so
> > > >Goldstar could buy them.
> > > >Walter
> > > >--- Tel-Tek Electronics <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>When they became LG Electronics.
> > > >>
> > > >>-Ed-
> > > >>
> > > >>Ed Gaidies
> > > >>Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > >>Ontario-Canada
> > > >>
> > > >>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > >>Behalf Of Kevin
> > > >>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:49 PM
> > > >>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> > > >>
> > > >>When did Korea (Goldstar) take over control of
> > > >>Zenith?
> > > >>
> > > >>Kevin Wilks
> > > >>Kevin's TV & Video Repair
> > > >>Penticton BC Canada
> > > >>kevintv@xxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > >>Behalf Of
> > > >>repair1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:10 PM
> > > >>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> > > >>
> > > >>Actually rca and ge tvs as we knew them have not
> > > >>existed since about
> > > >>1989,
> > > >>the story goes like this, ge bought rca, which
> > > >>owned nbc, banquet foods,
> > > >>burlington mills, hertz rent a car, hazeltine
> > > >>research, sarnoff labs,
> > > >>and
> > > >>randomhouse publishing, and last but not least
> > > >>their consumer
> > > >>electronics
> > > >>company, this was at the time the largest non oil
> > > >>buyout ever,ge started
> > > >>selling what it did not want(everything except
> > > >>nbc), and then made an
> > > >>offer
> > > >>to thomson of france, to swap their combined
> > > >>consumer electronics
> > > >>company
> > > >>for thomson's medical equipment division, seems
> > > >>as though ge really
> > > >>started
> > > >>thomson, then the french nationalized it, now it
> > > >>appears that the french
> > > >>have decided to take advantage of the "so called
> > > >>global economy" and buy
> > > >>into the chinese producers so they can sell fine
> > > >>products along with
> > > >>funai
> > > >>and apex etc, pretty sad
> > > >>
> > > >>charles betzler
> > > >>Best Electronics
> > > >>repair1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:36 PM
> > > >>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>It's all over now,....but the cryin !
> > > >>>We can't get by without RCA/GE sets,...and we
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>don't want China to be
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>involved to anymore degree then they allready
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>are in our Industry.
> > > >>When
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Korea took over control of Zenith by
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>Goldstar,...that's when Zenith
> > > >>went
> > > >>to
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>the dogs,...and now we will see that happen
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>with RCA (Radio
> > > >>Corporation of
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>America),..what a laugh.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>LLW
> > > >>>
> > > >>>LeRoy Westlund
> > > >>>Westlund TV & Electronics I've
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>heard it said:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>93 North Main "that
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>a fool never learns"
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 It kinda reminds
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>me of me.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822
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> > > >>>
> > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>Date: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:17 PM
> > > >>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>But the Chinese have control, and it is
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>expected
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>that they will have full ownership in 6 months
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>or
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>so.
> > > >>>>One of Thomson's tech support guys told me
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>that he
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>was going to work at Home Depot, and is
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>expecting
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>everyone to be laid off in that department.
> > > >>>>He said that people were dissappearing around
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>there
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>every day.
> > > >>>>Oh well, rca couldn't get much worse than the
> > > >>>>ATC311.
> > > >>>>Walter
> > > >>>>--- "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>Its 2/3 s Owned by a Co. in China. That
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>is
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>what was said at a RCA meeting
> > > >>>>>a couple of weeks ago.
> > > >>>>>Phillip R Hull STET
> > > >>>>>phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>FAX 517--569-3075
> > > >>>>>Professional Technicians only
> > > >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>>From: "Tel-Tek Electronics"
> > > >>>>><teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:05 PM
> > > >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Some conglomerate from France...me thinks.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>-Ed-
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Ed Gaidies
> > > >>>>>>Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > >>>>>>Ontario-Canada
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>On
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>Behalf Of Keith Trumbla
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:52 PM
> > > >>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Thomson TEC
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Who owns Thomson now ?
> > > >>>>>>Keith Trumbla
> > > >>>>>>BEM Electronics Inc.
> > > >>>>>>Suite 212-530 Century St.
> > > >>>>>>WPG. MB. R3H 0Y4 Canada
> > > >>>>>>Ph.204.775.2875 Fax.204.774.9192
> > > >>>>>>www.bemelectronics.com
> > > >>>>>>
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