[TechAssist] Re: Sencore

I too, have had problems with the VA62, but always fixed them in-house
(after all, we ARE electronic technicians, are we not?). Besides I am too
cheap and too egotistical to let THEM repair it!

The Sencore scopes seemed too fixated to the TV repair business. We do a
variety of different repairs, so the flexibility of a general purpose scope
was a better bang for the buck.

You can buy alot of cheap scopes to populate each bench for the price of one
Sencore!
We get about ten years out of a cheap 20 mhz dual trace. which is great for
TV and audio.

However I tend to go for the pricier equipment on the 250 Mhz duals where
performance is more of an issue. I like Iwatsu, HP and Tektronix for those
applications.

Anybody using those new LCD mini-scopes??
If so, how do you like them?

Jim McVey
McVey Alltronix
327 Broadway
Newburgh Ny 12550
ph: 845 561 8383
fx: 845 561 9017
Consumer electronics &
computer service.
Factory authorized for
over twenty brands.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:00 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore


> Daryl;
> See that's the beauty of Technicians talking. You had a bad incidence
> with them (Sencore), and I had a good one. May all depend on the
> Employee you were talking to..
> B&K is good stuff also. Reasonably priced, but I wouldn't know,since I
> bought all my B&K stuff from business that went down the tubes.
> Like my 40 Meg Dual Trace ...$25..;-)
> BTW...We are still saying little prayers up her in Canada for
> your Business survival. Any Happy spots?;-)
>
> _ed-
>
> Ed Gaidies
> Tel-Tek Electronics
> Ontario-Canada
>
> teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of D Thunhurst
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:11 PM
> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore
>
> I have had only two experiences with Sencore equipment.  Both were bad
> and I
> never did continue with their over priced equipment.  The first
> experience
> was many years ago with a Horizontal Sweep analyzer.  It burned up and
> they
> didn't offer any repair support.  No service nor parts.  The second
> experience was similar.  I had won a FET checker as a door prize at one
> of
> their seminars (You guys remember those don't you?  Where they brain
> wash
> you into thinking you can't do without their equipment).  I accidentally
> zapped it.  I tried to get it repaired.  Again no support for service or
> parts.  They claimed that since I didn't actually purchase it, I was not
> eligible to get it serviced.  I wasn't trying to claim warranty but that
> did
> not matter.  Needless to say, I don't use Sencore PERIOD!
> Now B&K is another story.  I zapped a logic probe and it again was my
> fault.
> The lead that goes to the 5 volt source fell off and hit a higher
> voltage
> supply.  It was about three years old and well out of warranty.  I
> needed an
> IC for it.  Available from them only.  They sold it to me at a very
> reasonable price but it still didn't work.  I sent it in for repair and
> was
> surprised when they sent it back to me... NO CHARGE.  I can say Sencore
> sure
> didn't take care of me like that.  Most of my equipment is B&K...Now you
> know why.
> Daryl
> Daryl's TV
> 2402 Wyoming Ave.
> El Paso, TX 79903
> 915-565-9184 Voice/Fax
> dthunhurst@xxxxxxx
> http://dynacomp.freeyellow.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore
>
>
> > Business has really fizzled. At one time, I remember sending out my
> > Sencore equipment (To Sencore), to have it checked and calibrated.
> Can't
> > afford to do that anymore. I just dust it off myself, periodically.
> > While on the subject of Sencore, their test equipment is quite
> > pricey, but I do have to give them credit, always had good Technical
> > Support, and customer relations.
> > I remember on a Saturday, I needed a set-up for my CR70, which
> > was not in my book. Picked up the phone, dialed the 1-800-SENCORE
> > number, not expecting anyone to be there, sure enough, had my numbers
> in
> > no time flat.
> > So I guess you get what you pay for.
> > My biggest problem with Sencore, was I never learned to use it to it's
> > full capability, which is totally my fault.
> >
> > We have to continue giving credit, where credit is due, and up
> > until the last time I needed something from them, they were always
> there
> > for me. Things may have changed, but next time will tell. Maybe the
> > Chinese got to them too.;-)
> >
> > -Ed-
> >
> > Ed Gaidies
> > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > Ontario-Canada
> >
> > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hoyt's TV
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 1:27 PM
> > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore
> >
> > I've had my SC61 apart several times to solder bad connections. Right
> > now I
> > have another intermittent problem with it where the deflection becomes
> > offset to the right about half the screen. Whack it up side the head
> and
> > it
> > straightens out just like a bad mule. Someday I'll take it apart
> again.
> > Same
> > for my VA62, it comes on without any patterns, after awhile they come
> > in.
> >
> >
> > Russ Hoyt
> > Hoyt's TV
> > Exeter, NH
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Poffen" <lpoffen@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:52 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore
> >
> >
> > > I also have 3 of them.  had very good svc out of them & made money.
> I
> > have
> > > an SC61 Scope that just went out on me.  Have no horiz or vert
> > deflection.
> > > digital display is ok & get a small dot/line when using the beam
> > finder.
> > > also when turning off flashes a bright dot with intensity turned up
> > high.
> > > Anyone know a common problem for this?  seems like a voltage is
> > missing.
> > > Larry,  Larrys TV Svc
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hoyt's TV" <hoytstv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:15 AM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh yeah!
> > > > I forgot the PR570s. I have three of em, one on each TV bench.
> > > >
> > > > Russ Hoyt
> > > > Hoyt's TV
> > > > Exeter, NH
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Phil Bader" <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:36 AM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I made good money with my CM2125 Monitor analyser over the
> years,
> > tho
> > > > > primarily I'm a TV shop. I am for the most part the only
> properly
> > > > > equipped monitor servicer in the county. Most of the TV shops
> may
> > take
> > > > > one in, and hope for the check out fee.Or a simple "vertical
> chip"
> > > > > repair.
> > > > > I kinda got talked into their HA2500 Horizontal Analyser.
> > Expensive.
> > But
> > > > > with all the monitors I saw many with wierd HOT types that I had
> > to
> > > > > special order and wait, so if I could hook up the 2500 and load
> > test
> > the
> > > > > flyback area I might save popping several $25.00 HOT's and a
> > months
> > > > > delay. Good but expensive at around 6 grand as I remember. I
> ring
> > > > > yokes,smps transformers, flys,etc.(but the CM2125 rings,too)
> Makes
> > some
> > > > > estimates faster and cheaper to produce. The jury's still out on
> > that
> > > > > one.
> > > > > I like my  PR570 Powerite II variable isolation transformer.
> > Digital
> > > > > volt/amp display. That one I really use.
> > > > > Seems mostly my 100 MHz scope (LG) dual trace and my Fluke meter
> > makes
> > > > > my salary.
> > > > > I do need a good video display/ cross hatch gen. A tech I know
> > uses
> > the
> > > > > Sencore VP300. Very nice for his service calls when a projo HD
> set
> > has
> > a
> > > > > symptom that is only in HD mode, or doing an alignment/
> > convergence on
> > > > > an HD he must align in "normal mode" then again in HD. Necessary
> > > > > nowadays.
> > > > > But God it's expensive.
> > > > > Anyone have that VP300 or the newer VP301 with RF?
> > > > > I'de like first hand critiques!
> > > > > Used prices?
> > > > > Phil Bader
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan Phyl TV Inc
> > > > > 3420 Recker Hwy.
> > > > > Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> > > > > fax: 863-299-8821
> > > > > (professional. technician calls only)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hoyt's TV wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Over the past 40 years I have bought a lot of Sencore
> equipment
> > and
> > > been
> > > > > > very pleased with it. However I too bought a few I wish I
> could
> > > forget.
> > > > > > VC93  $3002.60 in July 1991: used it to analyze one VCR repair
> > job.
> > > Took
> > > > > > several hours to do all the hookups to prove what was bad. Got
> > $60
> > > labor
> > > > for
> > > > > > the job. Determined that any job I needed it for would cost
> more
> > than
> > > > the
> > > > > > customer was willing to pay. Never used it again on a VCR but
> I
> > do
> > use
> > > > the
> > > > > > audio signal on stereos occasionally.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then there was the CB debacle. Bought the analyzers and a B&K
> > scope
> > > that
> > > > was
> > > > > > capable of seeing the 27mhz (back in '77 most TV scopes didn't
> > go
> > that
> > > > high
> > > > > > and Sencore didn't make one) plus a subscription to Sams CB
> > manuals.
> > > > Five
> > > > > > years later I had spent $5000 on CB stuff and done less than
> > $1000
> > in
> > > > repair
> > > > > > work. The guys who didn't have the necessary FCC 2nd Phone
> > license,
> > > and
> > > > were
> > > > > > willing to do the illegal work, got all the jobs. I sold the
> > Sams
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > equipment to a truck driver from Mississippi who was tired of
> > driving
> > > > and
> > > > > > wanted to set up a CB shop at his local truck stop. Got less
> > than
> > $500
> > > > for
> > > > > > it and felt lucky to get that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most useful have been:  VA62, SC61, LC77.\ and the Cricket.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Russ Hoyt
> > > > > > Hoyt's TV
> > > > > > Exeter, NH
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Wayne Vanaman" <Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:33 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sencore
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any test equipment needs to be purchased well before it is
> > useless.
> > > > > > > Sencores VCR analyzer, for example, may have been a gold
> mine
> > in
> > the
> > > > early
> > > > > > > to mid '80s, but by '90 it would have been questionable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bought a TVA92/VG91 in '94 and it has more than paid for
> > itself
> > in
> > > > time
> > > > > > > saved, but if I were looking for one today I wouldn't pay
> more
> > than
> > > a
> > > > > > couple
> > > > > > > of hundred dollars.  The way technology is changing they
> don't
> > have
> > > > much
> > > > > > > life left.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wayne Vanaman
> > > > > > > Omega Electronics
> > > > > > > 6904 W Fairfield Dr
> > > > > > > Pensacola, Fl.  32506-3310
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 850-456-5995 voice
> > > > > > > 850-458-6369 fax
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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