[TCUG] Re: The Times article
- From: "Bernie Japs" <bernie.japs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:25:13 +0100
Looks like the site conditions justify the installation of gantry signals if
you can acquire permission to install them
and if you have appropriate space to install the gantry pole and
foundation..
Bernie Japs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Gregory" <patrick.gregory2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: [TCUG] Re: The Times article
> I'm aware of the particular issues of a whole group of signals in this
> area. The specific site is Peds with traffic, but the problems here are
> excaberated by upto 3 one way approach lanes, which may all have buses
> and or coaches on them, giving poor sightlines all round. We constantly
> face public complaints of Green-man time too short, where the signal is
> not seen as an invitation to cross, but as a period during which the
> pedestrian should be able to traverse the crossing! Notwithstanding the
> blackout after, I suspect that in this case, because of the relatively
> small space involved, the intergreen is probably well within spec. I
> don't speak for TfL, but do have some sympathy with both parties in this
> instance.
>
> Pat Gregory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Peter Jones
> Sent: 18 May 2007 09:28
> To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [TCUG] Re: The Times article
>
>
>
> Phew!!
>
> Whatever the case with the signals, TfL's denial that the signals
> contributed to the death of the pedestrian surely must be upheld? Is a
> driver entitled to flatten a pedestrian because the signals are green?
>
> Green means proceed IF safe to do so, not regardless of the
> consequences. The problem is, this could turn into a landmark case; any
> incident at a junction with a ped facility is likely to be scrutinised
> in light of this.
>
> I suspect I will be re-assessing many of our config's in the near
> future.
>
> I cannot understand the attitude of the police in suggesting it was her
> own fault, it appears to allow for this notion that Barristers tend to
> portray that we 'happen along when something happened out of the blue',
> well I'm sorry but when you are responsible for over a tonne of metal,
> you should NOT be 'happening along'! The coach driver should be
> prosecuted for causing death by dangerous driving, in my opinion.
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Jones
> Principal Traffic Systems Engineer
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>>>> "Treen, Sean" <Sean.Treen@xxxxxxxxxx> 18/05/2007 08:32 >>>
> An interesting read this Friday morning!
>
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1805664.ece
>
>
>
> Sean Treen
>
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