[tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
- From: James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:22:00 -0800
Right, I think 2 is already enough. Opinions vary, I didn't mean to
offend anyone,
I just think it may be good enough as it stands ...
On 2/8/12, William Kellermann <wtkjd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> When you are diving, there is usually nobody looking over your shoulder and
> your students are teamed in buddy pairs. Even at that, I've seen dive
> instructors lose track of students (as safety diver for a group of open
> water students.) On the range, the LCO, RSO and assistants will be trying
> to insure anyone down range is following these rules. If NFL officials
> can't call 'too many players' 100% of the time, we need to make it easier on
> our safety officers, or the rule falls by the wayside.
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 1:43 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
>> I think requiring them to be escorted/supervised is reasonable.
>>
>> I think limiting it to 2 supervisees per certified supervisor, OTOH, is
>> questionable.
>>
>> As a SCUBA instructor I can easily supervise 4 brand new divers in Open
>> Water with limited visibility. Supervising more than 2 uncertified
>> assistants on a rocket range can easily and safely be done so long as they
>> are properly briefed before entering the range.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:42 AM, James Dougherty wrote:
>>
>>> Both the rules are good ones
>>>
>>> There's no point in having someone who doesn't understand (or even care)
>>> about the Tripoli safety codes out on the range.
>>>
>>> For those of you who own firearms, this is why you dont let your comrades
>>> traipse about on the range during a live fire exercise in adjacent
>>> ranges, and dont even let the weapon in someones hand - you shut the
>>> whole range down to prevent ricochet or misfires
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The change seems specifically targeted at what you can use to light a
>>>> motor and it makes sense. It seems to me that (although I would say it's
>>>> still dangerous) you are also still allowed to use those switches to
>>>> activate recovery pyrotechnics or anything else so long as it isn't
>>>> lighting a motor.
>>>>
>>>> It's a shame someone had to get injured to call attention to the hazards
>>>> of this type of ignition system, but, really, it is a dangerous way to
>>>> light motors and I think it's a good rule change.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, the updated spectator rule is unnecessary and I believe the
>>>> existing rules were adequate and had they been followed, there wouldn't
>>>> be an issue with "someone riding a bike that had no business being there
>>>> just stopped by to see what was happening".
>>>>
>>>> Just my $0.02.
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Karl Baumheckel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is a good question. I would say that you could still use a
>>>>> breakwire for timer activation. And in my opinion this is a more
>>>>> reliable method than the G switch for what it's worth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "SCOTT B" <triptechb@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:15:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>>
>>>>> Would this include activation of avionics using a breakwire for low
>>>>> speed/g-force launches, or just using breakwires for lighting motors?
>>>>> Scotty B.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Tue, 2/7/12, AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:01 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes these are switches used to for launch detect to start a second
>>>>> stage.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:58 AM
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a launch controller is a type of ignition system. They may be
>>>>> referring to cluster and staging ignition? But yes, the TCC controller
>>>>> is great as is...
>>>>>
>>>>> -G
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I still haven’t read it all but either way our launch system does not
>>>>> use none of these
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack G
>>>>>
>>>>> From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:57 AM
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>>
>>>>> It references the switched in regards to motor ignition and seems to
>>>>> refer to the launch controller:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2-12.6 A rocket motor shall not be ignited by any of the following:
>>>>> a. A switch that uses mercury.
>>>>> b. “Pull wires” that disconnect or complete a circuit.
>>>>> c. “Pressure roller” switches
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> It does not make reference to av-bar arming switches.
>>>>>
>>>>> -G
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hey All I have attached the 2012 Tripoli sanctioned rules and we are a
>>>>> Tripoli club so everyone needs to read them, print them carry them or
>>>>> however you want to help enforce and use our newest rules, I will get
>>>>> time this week to really study them but I noticed a couple of quick
>>>>> ones like
>>>>>
>>>>> Section 2-18 Participation now reads in part:
>>>>> "Non-HPR Fliers are allowed in the High Power Launch Area if escorted
>>>>> by
>>>>> a HPR Flier. A HPR Flier may escort and be accompanied by not more than
>>>>> two (2) non-HPR fliers in the High Power Launch Area. The HPR flier
>>>>> escort is required to monitor the actions of the escorted non-HPR
>>>>> fliers, and the escort is fully responsible for those actions and for
>>>>> the safety of those escorted."
>>>>>
>>>>> There are other changes. For example, the use of mercury switches,
>>>>> pull
>>>>> wires, and roller switches have now been banned. This means there are
>>>>> various products by different manufactures that can no longer be used
>>>>> for air-starts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t want to due a review until I have had time to look the complete
>>>>> pages over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack G
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Engelgau
>>>>> KI6IBL, NAR 86770 / TRA 12243 - L3
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Engelgau
>>>>> KI6IBL, NAR 86770 / TRA 12243 - L3
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