[tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012

The limit of 2 per certified supervisor is probably good/reasonable.
Remember the rules are written so the not so smart/caring/knowledgeable
people can survive. A supervisor on his "A" game could probably do 20, on an
off day one would be questionable.

 

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[mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:43 AM
To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012

 

I think requiring them to be escorted/supervised is reasonable.

 

I think limiting it to 2 supervisees per certified supervisor, OTOH, is
questionable.

 

As a SCUBA instructor I can easily supervise 4 brand new divers in Open
Water with limited visibility. Supervising more than 2 uncertified
assistants on a rocket range can easily and safely be done so long as they
are properly briefed before entering the range.

 

Owen

 

On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:42 AM, James Dougherty wrote:





Both the rules are good ones

 

There's no point in having someone who doesn't understand (or even care)
about the Tripoli safety codes out on the range.

 

For those of you who own firearms, this is why you dont let your comrades
traipse about on the range during a live fire exercise in adjacent ranges,
and dont even let the weapon in someones hand - you shut the whole range
down to prevent ricochet or misfires 

 

 

 



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On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The change seems specifically targeted at what you can use to light a motor
and it makes sense. It seems to me that (although I would say it's still
dangerous) you are also still allowed to use those switches to activate
recovery pyrotechnics or anything else so long as it isn't lighting a motor.

 

It's a shame someone had to get injured to call attention to the hazards of
this type of ignition system, but, really, it is a dangerous way to light
motors and I think it's a good rule change.

 

OTOH, the updated spectator rule is unnecessary and I believe the existing
rules were adequate and had they been followed, there wouldn't be an issue
with "someone riding a bike that had no business being there just stopped by
to see what was happening".

 

Just my $0.02.

 

Owen

 

On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Karl Baumheckel wrote:





That is a good question.  I would say that you could still use a breakwire
for timer activation.  And in my opinion this is a more reliable method than
the G switch for what it's worth.

 

 


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From: "SCOTT B" <triptechb@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:15:59 PM
Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012


Would this include activation of avionics using a breakwire for low
speed/g-force launches, or just using breakwires for lighting motors? 

Scotty B.

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:01 AM

Yes these are switches used to for launch detect to start a second stage.

 

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From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:58 AM
To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012

 

I think a launch controller is a type of ignition system.  They may be
referring to cluster and staging ignition?  But yes, the TCC controller is
great as is...

 

-G

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx
<about:blank> > wrote:

I still haven't read it all but either way our launch system does not use
none of these

 

Jack G

 

From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <about:blank>
[mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <about:blank> ] On Behalf Of Gene
Engelgau
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:57 AM
To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <about:blank> 
Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012

 

It references the switched in regards to motor ignition and seems to refer
to the launch controller:

 

2-12.6 A rocket motor shall not be ignited by any of the following:

a. A switch that uses mercury.

b. "Pull wires" that disconnect or complete a circuit.

c. "Pressure roller" switches

 

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It does not make reference to av-bar arming switches.

 

-G

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx
<about:blank> > wrote:

Hey All I have attached the 2012 Tripoli sanctioned rules and we are a
Tripoli club so everyone needs to read them, print them carry them or
however you want to help enforce and use our newest rules, I will get time
this week to really study them but I noticed a couple of quick ones like

 

Section 2-18 Participation now reads in part:

"Non-HPR Fliers are allowed in the High Power Launch Area if escorted by

a HPR Flier. A HPR Flier may escort and be accompanied by not more than

two (2) non-HPR fliers in the High Power Launch Area. The HPR flier

escort is required to monitor the actions of the escorted non-HPR

fliers, and the escort is fully responsible for those actions and for

the safety of those escorted."

 

There are other changes.  For example, the use of mercury switches, pull

wires, and roller switches have now been banned.  This means there are

various products by different manufactures that can no longer be used

for air-starts.

 

 

I don't want to due a review until I have had time to look the complete
pages over.

 

Jack G





 

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