[tccrockets] Re: NAR junior level one
- From: William Kellermann <wtkjd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:51:10 -0700
This is not a legal opinion - members should consult their own counsel for
specific legal advice... since I am my own counsel, here is my analysis:
To be a High Power Flier, one must be certified. To be certified, one must be
18. A Non-High Power flier is a flier that is not certified. This neither
includes or excludes minors, by definition. A non high power flier must be
escorted by a high power flier to be in the High Power Launch Area. So, the
crux of the discussion is what did TRA mean by 'flier.' Since that term
necessarily implies more than simply watching, until it is clarified, I would
take that to mean a minor can 'fly' when escorted by a High Power Flier. There
is nothing that suggests any relationship between the High Power Flier and the
Non- High Power Flier so 'father-mother-son-daughter' is irrelevant. This also
ignores state and local law on the subject which trumps Tripoli, at least in
California.
The above is the basis for me taking my Boy Scout Troop to Mudrock this year
and shanghai'ing some of you to 'escort' service.
For those who are hung up on the 'minor may launch' language, I distinguish
between 'fly' and 'launch' as the distinction between 'loading a rocket on the
pad' and 'pushing the button.' Since only the LCO always 'launches' a rocket
by definition, it is a distinction with a difference. Kids can push the button
on a model rocket...
You get what you pay for. And remember, a man who represents himself has a
fool for a lawyer...
On May 22, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Jack Garibaldi wrote:
> Hey Dave
>
> The true question that will clear all doubts up is the under 18
> years old because if it is yes then a Non member non HPR flyer may be
> escorted with a HPR flyer but if it is No as I read it then all will stay
> the same as under 18 cannot go on the High Power range and if you are over
> 18 and not a member or HPR flyer then you have to be escorted.
>
> Jack G
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:35 PM
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> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: NAR junior level one
>
> Sam Fineberg wrote:
>> The Tripoli rules are new. While this may not be the first time, it
>> hasn't been an issue until this year. Tripoli had a fairly bad
>> incident at LDRS which was complicated by having unauthorized people
>> at the pads.
>
> Yeah, I figured that was behind Tripoli's evident present desire to have
> specific policies on access to the "HPR Pad Area" as such (a point on which
> I don't think the NAR rules are quite as explicit)...
>
> So do the new TRA rules require that a candidate for TRA certification (as a
> "Non-HPR Flier") "escorted" to the pad area? (Or does this fall under the
> same category as non-certified individuals being specifically allowed to buy
> HPR motors for the purpose of making certification attempts?)
>
> Seems like it would be good to get a clarification (as Jack said he planned
> to) from TRA HQ on whether an NAR "junior cert"
> candidate with a parent (HPR-certified and over 18) would count as a
> "Non-HPR Flier ... escorted by a HPR Flier" for the purpose of the "2-18.1.1
> Exception".
>
> -dave w
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