[tcb] Re: help

  • From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:56:54 -0800 (PST)

Steve:  I don't know what you mean by top to bottom adjustment.  Help me out.




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From: Steve Chamberlain <steveraychamberlain@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, December 23, 2011 9:30:36 AM
Subject: [tcb] Re: help

Good advice Sammie, however Tyler was refering to 'top to bottom' adjustment. 
After working with Tyler about a week we took it to Metaphysical VW. It took 
Toby about 20 minutes of equalizing everything and he had good pedal. Also when 
you replace the line from top cyliner to bottom cylinder make sure to bend the 
tube enough to get it off the center part of the drum. Doesn't take long to 
wear 
a hole in the brake line.


On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:04 AM, sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:

Good point Tyler.  The way I adjust them to make sure that is not a problem:  
Adjust one shoe until it almost locks the brake, back it off a couple of 
clicks, 
adjust the other shoe until it almost locks the brake then back it off a couple 
of clicks.   You should then have both shoes just making contact with the 
drum.  
Also, assuming you are doing a complete brake job; remove both adjusters, 
unscrew the screw from the star wheel, clean both thoroughly, run a wire wheel 
on both the threads of the screw and the contact area of the star adjuster, 
reassemble using Permatex anti seize on the threads and the surface area of the 
star adjuster.  This assures that they will turn freely until the next brake 
job.  
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From: Tyler Chamberlain <hexarobi@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thu, December 22, 2011 11:25:32 PM
>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
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>Had a similar problem on my bus. I seemed to be getting them adjusted properly 
>because they would just barely scrape when turning, but one the adjusters was 
>all the way out and the other was all the way in, so they wouldn't expand 
>correctly when pressure was applied. Might be worth checking.
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>On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:40 PM, sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>wrote:
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>I don't know.  Get under there and feel the play.  Again, there should be 
>about 
>2-3mm of play between the first movement of the pedal and when it engages the 
>mc 
>plunger.
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From: Rusty Herring <rustmah1@xxxxxxx>
>>To: Texas Coalition of Busses <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thu, December 22, 2011 8:23:53 PM
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
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>>I did try adjusting the rod to get the pedal to come up higher inside the car 
>>. 
>>could i have gone to far?
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>>If it can happen it will hapen to me????
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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:19:46 -0800
>>From: bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>I don't know what you mean by too far.  It is supposed to be adjusted so that 
>>it 
>>is not firm up against the plunger in the MC, but not too much play.  As 
>>stated, 
>>I think the free play is like 2 to 3 mm.  If it has too much play the pedal 
>>will 
>>not depress the MC completely and if it has no free play or pressure on the 
>>MC 
>>then there is always pressure in the system and your brakes will drag.  Your 
>>problem may be that there is too much distance (play) between the rod and the 
>>mc 
>>and you are not getting complete depression of the mc when you press the 
>>pedal.  
>>The rod is adjustable.
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>>I guess in simple terms you can say that your brake system has two 
>>adjustments:  
>>The brake shoes and the pedal plunger to the MC.  If either is not adjusted 
>>properly it can result in a very low pedal before your brakes are engaged, or 
>>the reverse; you always have a full pedal and your shoes are contacting the 
>>drums all the time.  Obviously you do not want either condition.
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From: Rusty Herring <rustmah1@xxxxxxx>
>>To: Texas Coalition of Busses <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thu, December 22, 2011 8:08:36 PM
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
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>>can you adjust the rod out of the master cyclinder to far?
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>>If it can happen it will hapen to me????
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Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:52:55 -0800
>>From: bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>Well, Denis there is a third:  Mentioned in my first post; there may be too 
>>much 
>>play between the pedal push rod and the plunger on the MC.  Adjust according 
>>to 
>>specs.
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From: Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thu, December 22, 2011 7:42:35 PM
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
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>>There are only the two things possible, I think. Adjust the brakes and then 
>>bleed. Make sure that you keep fluid in the reservoir and then bleed again, 
>>oh 
>>yeah, bleed again.
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>>I am not sure your rear wheels will “lock up”.
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>>From:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>Brad Tripp
>>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:35 PM
>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
>> Rusty did you adjust your rear brakes correctly also
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>>On Dec 22, 2011 7:02 PM, "Rusty Herring" <rustmah1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>where do i find your post on this subject?
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>>If it can happen it will hapen to me????
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>>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:43:18 -0800
>>From: bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>67s don't have brake pads.  They are drum brakes.  And see my post on 
>>adjusting 
>>the shoes.
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>>From:Duncan <whocanduncan1@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: TCB <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thu, December 22, 2011 5:40:41 PM
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
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>>Sorry if this seems obvious but you don't mention if you adjusted the brake 
>>pads?
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>>From: Rusty Herring <rustmah1@xxxxxxx> 
>>Sender: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:31:45 -0600
>>To: Texas Coalition of Busses<tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>ReplyTo: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: help
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>>I'm trying to fix the brake system on a 67 deluxe buse. 
>>Have changed out the mastercyclinder, all four  wheel cycliners on the 
>>front,new 
>>drums on front.
>>I've ran 64oz of brake fluid thru all the system(bleeding all wheel cycliners 
>>front and back) no more air, even bled mastercyclinder, all hoses look new.
>>the brake pedal goes almost to the floor before the front brakes will lock 
>>up. 
>>the rear brakes want lockup. they will if you pull the e brake. i'm at a loss 
>>to 
>>figure this out .
>>can any body offer any sugestions on what to try next??????
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>>If it can happen it will hapen to me????
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>>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:54:41 -0600
>>Subject: [tcb] Bus sighting
>>From: evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx
>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>In the admirals club at LAX there is a large photograph about 4 by 6 on the 
>>wall.  It is a photo of the desert southwest, possibly Mexico, with a 70s bus 
>>in 
>>it driving on a dirt road.  Lime green and yellow.
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>-Tyler Chamberlain
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