Will's correct, as normal. Just make sure you use some. I have seen some from people who didn't and the fiber/plastic contact on the points will wear out rapidly if they run dry. --- On Sat, 10/2/10, w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Timing To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, October 2, 2010, 9:01 AM Just use any type of grease you may have. It won't make much if a difference as long as its not hard as a rock. On Oct 2, 2010 8:34 AM, "Alma Jo Barrera" <patchmongrel1@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Die Electric grease. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald Livingston" <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:17 PM > Subject: [tcb] Re: Timing > > > Question at the top --- what do you guys use for rubbing-block grease. > Points used to come with a little tube of stuff that looked like thick > vaseline. Now they don't. > > Well, > > It's an all too common VW combo-problem. Can't have *ONE* thing go > wrong at a time. It always has to be *TWO* (or more) things that > exacerbate the issues. > > 1. I didn't ADVANCE the timing like I said, I RETARDED it. I always get > that backwards. I had it set at TDC to get the motor to sort of > stumblingly run. The marks on the pulley are 7.5 and 10 BTDC. I had it > set at 10 BTDC and it wouldn't catch. > > 2. After getting it back to the stuttery backfiring but idling point we > grabbed a can of ether. Making sure all the vacuum ports had tight caps > and the air cleaner was firmly seated we sprayed aroung the carb base > > no change > > then we sprayed higher around the center of the body where the throttle > shaft and accelerator pump cover are > > zoom zoom. It idled faster. Still did a lot of backfiring and > sputtering but it definitely picked up. > > So, the carb IS sucking air somewhere. I ordered a replacement today. > > Then, since I knew I was going to be waiting on the carb I decided we > should do all the other "little stuff" > > Made absolutely sure I was on the compression stroke and checked the > valves on #2 again. .006 on both. No clue why it's 20psi below the > other 3. > > Put the valve covers back on again. > > Installed and gapped the new points. > > Hit the starter to make sure they were set right. > > Zoom Zoom. Steady idle. No backfire or stuttering. Good throttle > response (as good as it gets with a 009). Clipped on the strobe. > Loosened the dizzy. Made an educated guess where 27ATDC was located. > Revved it up and set it there. > > Better throttle response. Better sounding. Static is back around 10BTDC > where it should be. I bought a protractor and paint pen so I can get a > little more accurate later. > > So, EVERYBODY was right. It was a timing/ignition problem. It was also > a carb problem that made the timing/ignition problem *MUCH* worse than > it should have been. The old points are pitted but not severely enough > to cause the major backfiring and loss of power that I experienced. > Lightly pitted points in conjunction with a mild intake leak beat me to > death though. > > I'll get my pulley marks painted and swap in the new carb when it > arrives. Hopefully Monday. > > I really need to sit down and solder the CDI together to stop future > point pitting. > > G2 > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 00:15:26 -0500 > Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Wouldn't happen to have a known good single port carb I could borrow a >> few days to verify that would you? If a known good carb solves the >> problem I'll order a replacement Monday and return yours at T@P. I'll >> pay for USPS express shipping so it can be here Saturday if it's >> mailed out Friday. >> >> I went ahead and replaced the points with a new set that has weld >> bonded full face contacts as opposed to the previous set that had one >> contact with a hole all the way through the center as a rivet point. >> >> My hands are cramping up now so the guy that helps me turn wrenches is >> going to come over in the morning so we can close it all back up. >> While we have the plugs out I'm going to verify the TDC mark using a >> pencil in #1 cylinder and recheck the valve lash on #2 to make sure I >> don't have the exhaust opening to early. >> >> Gerald >> >> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) >> sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > Me thinks you are on the right track. It's the carb. Don't like >> > the difference on that one cylinder but 130 should work just fine. >> > Should not be causing your problem. >> > >> > --- On Thu, 9/30/10, Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> > From: Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Timing >> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 8:02 PM >> > >> > >> > Cold compression >> > >> > 1 -- 150 >> > 2 -- 130 (something going on here) >> > 3 -- 155 >> > 4 -- 150 >> > >> > all the push rods are in the sockets. Rockers move in and out fine. >> > >> > Points have a little pitting but not horrible. >> > >> > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:39:35 -0500 >> > Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> > > Pulled the line at the carb and turned it over --- good squirt. >> > > Filter clear. >> > > >> > > G2 >> > > >> > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:00:12 -0500 >> > > "Denis Dodson" <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> > > >> > > > I may be an idiot to ask, but could you have crap in your fuel >> > > > line? >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> > > > On Behalf Of Gerald Livingston >> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:11 PM >> > > > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: Timing >> > > > >> > > > It tries. It stutters, stumbles, backfires. >> > > > >> > > > I asked about the run-on solenoid because the original German 30 >> > > > pict-3 doesn't have one, at all. Nothing to plug. >> > > > >> > > > I got it to at least start again by advancing the timing back to >> > > > the "wrong spot" (set static at "0" -- TDC). With timing at the >> > > > proper 10 BTDC static I couldn't get it to start at all. I still >> > > > can't get it to idle so I can put a gun on it and time to 27 - >> > > > 30 total advance since it has a 009 installed. >> > > > >> > > > This is annoying. It ran fine for 1000 miles. That seems to be >> > > > my personal breaking point. That's about how many miles the Raby >> > > > motor sitting in the broken-rear-end-Rivi has on it. >> > > > >> > > > G2 >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:02:09 -0400 >> > > > "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Well Gerald you can use a 30/31 pict or a 34 Pict with the >> > > > > adapter as well. From the solenoid perspective you can go to >> > > > > Lowes and get a brass plug that will fit it in lieu of the IAC >> > > > > solenoid. I know I have a bunch of 30s/31s and 34s but I'm not >> > > > > in a position to lend them out right now. I travel all week >> > > > > and my parts runner is off in the USMC, go figure. >> > > > > >> > > > > Simply put however I don't believe your problem is the carb >> > > > > from your description. if you take the screws off the top, >> > > > > check to see if the fuel is at least 3/4 the way up the bowl. >> > > > > You could also have a stuck needle valve that could be causing >> > > > > either starvation or fuel puddling which will make it run like >> > > > > crap. >> > > > > >> > > > > Either way a pipe cleaner and in about 20 minutes you can go >> > > > > through all the passages. WHen you pull the throttle lever >> > > > > does it try to run? >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Gerald Livingston < >> > > > > gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > I found a rebuilt/rebushed 30 PICT-3 for $95+shipping. Is >> > > > > > the lack of an idle-air cutoff solenoid going to be a >> > > > > > problem? (My carb is a 30/31 with the solenoid hole). >> > > > > > >> > > > > > G2 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:57:11 -0500 >> > > > > > Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Does anyone in Central/East Texas have a known good (as in >> > > > > > > "I just pulled this off of a motor I tuned up yesterday) >> > > > > > > 30 PICT carb I can borrow to eliminate mine as the >> > > > > > > problem? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I need you to ba able to take it to the post office >> > > > > > > tomorrow. I will email you a prepaid USPS Express label so >> > > > > > > I can have it here on Friday. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I can't justify buying a new carb just to find out if the >> > > > > > > carb is actually the problem. I'm still bleeding money on >> > > > > > > keeping my 18 year old fed. Thankfully, he's supposed to >> > > > > > > start a new job tomorrow or Friday. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks all, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > G2 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >