Eric ,I'm sure you read the post about Izz'ys calling and saying they had laid low for a couple of years , that was the reason I suppose for the non reply Izz'ys frames are suppose to be more like the original than wolfgangs, good luck , Paul ===== Paul Smith www.23window.com/thezone Aka "The Bus People" AKA "The Heidenheiner Bulli Boys" AKA North Shore Transporters Phat Chicks are our future T.C.B