I think he's bitten off more than he can chew and is afraid to swallow... --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Will Wood <evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Will Wood <evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [tcb] Re: New Bus > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 7:34 AM > FLakey "artistie?" > > -----Original Message----- > >From: James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> > >Sent: Feb 13, 2009 8:18 AM > >To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [tcb] Re: New Bus > > > >So...does anyone know of anyone in the DFW area with > experience in painting & upholstering a 23 window? It > seems I have a situation. > >Thanks! > > > >James > > > > > > > >--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Mike Hayes > <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> From: Mike Hayes <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Subject: [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 1:10 PM > >> Ya! :-D > >> > >> > >> Denis wrote: > >> > Proud steering box scrapers. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > *From:* sammie smith > >> <mailto:bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:45 > AM > >> > *Subject:* [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> > > >> > Well; I wasn't gonna say it cause I > didn't > >> wanna offend any > >> > steering box scrapers. > >> > > >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, > mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx > >> > <mailto:mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> /<mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx > >> > <mailto:mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx>>/* > wrote: > >> > > >> > From: mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > <mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx>> > >> > Subject: [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, > 10:34 AM > >> > > >> > Stock ride height. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Denis" > <coocoo@xxxxxxx> > >> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 > 10:31:45 AM > >> GMT -06:00 > >> > US/Canada Central > >> > Subject: [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> > > >> > AAA > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > *From:* sammie smith > >> <mailto:bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 12, > 2009 10:11 > >> AM > >> > *Subject:* [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> > > >> > Let's see if I got this > right: You > >> have to jack up the > >> > bus and jack down the bus at the > same > >> time. That is if > >> > you have the correct length > bottle jack > >> and the bus is not > >> > so low that you can't get any > jack > >> under there in the > >> > first place; then you have to > wrestle the > >> tire out with > >> > help from at least two other > people. And > >> then you got a > >> > 200+ pound person to stand on a > long pry > >> bar jammed into > >> > the suspension somewhere. Sure > hope you > >> don't have a flat > >> > on a lonely road at night by > yourself. > >> LOL! > >> > > >> > That ain't covered in my > /Bentley > >> Manual./ > >> > > >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, Brian > Denning > >> > > /<i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx>/* > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > From: Brian Denning > >> <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Subject: [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > Date: Thursday, February 12, > 2009, > >> 9:25 AM > >> > > >> > mine's not a split but i > have to > >> put a bottle jack in > >> > there and jack it down then > pull the > >> wheel off and > >> > then jack it back up. > >> > > >> > > >> > > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 > 16:54:40 > >> -0800 > >> > > From: > sealingwaxred@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > Subject: [tcb] Re: New > Bus > >> > > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > > >> > > We use a long pry bar > ,put it on > >> top of the axtle > >> > tube let some one gently put > presure > >> on the bar while > >> > you pull the wheel out.I also > have a > >> small hidraulic > >> > jack so I can do it by myself > it need > >> be.Be sure and > >> > take it with you on trips. > >> > > > >> > > Paul Smith > >> > > > >> > > 2009 Zone Tour 1999-2009 > ,10 > >> years of Trucking > >> > > > >> > > H.B.B > >> > > T.C.B > >> > > Transporters at the > Point 6 > >> October 9,10,and 11, 2009 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, > Mike Hayes > >> <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> From: Mike Hayes > >> <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > >> Subject: [tcb] Re: > New Bus > >> > >> To: > tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > >> Date: Wednesday, > February 11, > >> 2009, 6:29 PM > >> > >> O.K. I need some > advise from > >> someone with a lowered > >> > split. > >> > >> How the hell do you > get the > >> back wheels off!!? I > >> > jacked up > >> > >> the bus put it on > jack stands > >> and started to take > >> > the wheels > >> > >> off the back off the > bus and > >> they won't clear the wheel > >> > >> wells. It lacks > about 2-3 > >> inches to clear. It also > >> > has a > >> > >> strait axle > conversion. I > >> even tried letting the > >> > air out of > >> > >> the tires and still > can't > >> get them out. :-( :-( > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike Hayes wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Got off work > early, > >> it's a nice day so I'm > >> > >> gonna go out and > work on the > >> bus. :-D > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Will Wood wrote: > >> > >>>> No sometimes > ugly > >> just comes back uglier. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > -----Original > >> Message----- > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>> From: > Eric > >> Woodall <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > >>>>> Sent: > Feb 11, > >> 2009 4:15 PM > >> > >>>>> To: > >> tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > >>>>> Subject: > [tcb] > >> Re: New Bus > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > Sometimes ugly > >> goes around the world and comes > >> > >> back on the other > side > >> > >>>>> > beautiful. > >> > >>>>> Just ask > Robb. > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> (joking > rob, > >> don't kill me) > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> Mike > Hayes wrote: > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > I'm just > >> waiting for any show. While > >> > >> I do like driving my > bay it > >> is > >> > >>>>>> ugly > as sin. > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> ATX > BUS > >> wrote: > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > We were > >> all waiting for the time and > >> > >> date of the show. > >> > >>>>>>> > Jeff > >> (atx_bus) > >> > >>>>>>> > 66 So-42 > >> > >>>>>>> > 67 > >> sportsmobile camper > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>> > *From:* > >> Mike Hayes > >> > >> > <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > >>>>>>> > *To:* > >> tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > >>>>>>> > *Sent:* > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 > >> > >> 2:48:03 PM > >> > >>>>>>> > >> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > I think > >> the excitement is over, > >> > >> I've had my 15 > minutes . > >> :-) > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> singlecabboy wrote: > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> I > >> think you should have like a one > >> > >> man show , say in > Waco or > >> some > >> > > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > place > >> centrally located.They're > >> > >> hasn't been this > much > >> excitement on > >> > >>>>>>> > here > >> since Denis tried to run Murry > >> > >> over the falls. > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> Paul > >> Smith > >> > > >>>>>>>> 2009 > >> Zone Tour 1999-2009 ,10 > >> > >> years of Trucking > >> > > >>>>>>>> H.B.B > >> T.C.B Transporters at the > >> > >> Point 6 October > 9,10,and 11, > >> 2009 > >> > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> --- > >> On Tue, 2/10/09, Mike Hayes > >> > >> > <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> From: > Mike Hayes > >> > >> > <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: [tcb] Re: New Bus > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > >> > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> Date: Tuesday, February 10, > >> > >> 2009, 4:32 PM > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> Damn thats what it needs..... > >> > >> a beer holder! :-) > ;-) > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> Eric Woodall wrote: > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>> To the beer > >> > >> holder, everything > is > >> beautiful! ;-) > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> ATX BUS > wrote: > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> X2 > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Seriously, > >> can't > >> > >> wait to see that bad > boy in > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> person. > >> > >> And I thought > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>> the saying > >> > >> was, "beauty is > the the > >> eyes of > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> the > >> > >> beer holder?" > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>> Jeff > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>> *From:* > >> > >> Eric Woodall > >> <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> <mailto:eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* > >> > >> tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > *Sent:* > >> Tuesday, > >> > >> February 10, 2009 > 2:34:47 PM > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > *Subject:* > >> [tcb] Re: > >> > >> New Bus > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Shite, who > >> cares Mike, > >> > >> it is still sweet!!! > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Very > nice ride. > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike > Hayes > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > Actually > >> there is not as much to be > >> > >> jealous of > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> as one might think. > So > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> here it > >> > >> is since it will > come out > >> eventually. >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > It is a > >> 62, fifteen > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> window > >> > >> with a 21 window top > made to > >> look like > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> a > >> > >> 59-60. It was pretty > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> well > >> > >> done but it was done > awhile > >> ago and > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> everything needs to > be > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> freshened up like > the rubber, > >> headliner and > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> finish the interior. > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> But I > >> > >> don't care > it's > >> beautiful, I > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> like it, theres no > rust holes > >> and > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> it's mine. :-) > :-D > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > It will be > >> running > >> > >> and stopping by next > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> Monday. Since it > hasn't > >> been > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> on the > >> > >> road since 1999 > I'm gonna > >> make sure > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> it's > mechanically sound. > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> The > >> > >> pictures were from > the guys > >> house I picked > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> it up from it had > been > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>> sitting > >> > >> under a carport > since 99. > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > sammie > >> smith > >> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> Me > >> thinks there are a LOT of > >> > >> jealous > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> people on > this list > >> today. > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> --- > >> > >> On *Tue, 2/10/09, > Denis > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> > /<coocoo@xxxxxxx > >> <mailto:coocoo@xxxxxxx> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>> > >> <mailto:coocoo@xxxxxxx > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> <mailto:coocoo@xxxxxxx>>>/* wrote: > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> From: > >> Denis <coocoo@xxxxxxx > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> <mailto:coocoo@xxxxxxx> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> <mailto:coocoo@xxxxxxx > >> > >> > >> <mailto:coocoo@xxxxxxx>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> Subject: [tcb] Re: > New Bus > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: > >> > >> tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> Date: Tuesday, > February 10, > >> 2009, 10:01 > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> AM > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> It's OK, kinda > dirty, > >> though. And > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> it has a > nasty old > >> Indian > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> blanket on the floor > and I > >> think I see > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> rust in the > parcel > >> tray. > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> The > >> > >> ball on the shifter > handle is > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> wrong. I > think that > >> it is > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> missing a windwing > latch. > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lots of > >> > >> work. I hope you > didn't > >> pay > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> too much. > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> Asshole. > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- > >> > >> Original Message > ----- From: > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> "Mike > >> Hayes" > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> > <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> To: > <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> <mailto:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> Sent: Monday, > February 09, > >> 2009 10:00 > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> PM > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> Subject: [tcb] New > Bus > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > So > >> > >> I've always > wanted a > >> split > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> window bus > so a > >> couple of weeks > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> ago > >> > >> I > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> picked > >> > >>> up a little > fixer upper. > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> Should have > it on the > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> road soon. > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Big > >> > >> improvement over my > Bay with > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> the bloody > nose. > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> Here > >> > >> are some pic's > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > http://www.mikescoolpics.com/thumbnails.php?album=42 > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > Want to do more with Windows > Live? > >> Learn “10 hidden > >> > secrets” from Jamie. 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