Thanks Sammy,He won't listen to me. Its pretty hard to hear engine noises when a person is driving around with things stuck in their ears to hear music.loose bolt on the pulley is the cause of the pulley wearing and moving into the tin after it was tightened. ----- Original Message ----- From: sammie smith To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Can a collision move the engine? There ain't no way the tree caused the pulley problem; or any other engine damage. --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Can a collision move the engine? To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 5:48 PM I have done absolutely zero work of maintenance on Murray's mechanicals since the tree kissing. When ever I did start him to move him a few yards while doing the body work, there was a banging noise that I thought was the tailpipe banging against the body metal. When Chuck and I were replacing the electronic points with real points, I noticed that the crank pulley nut was loose. It took a few turns. I also had to push the cooling tin away from the pulley. When I started the engine with Chuck looking at the engine we found that the pulley is way wobbly. There was no problem before the crash. I say that I was going, maybe, 15 MPH when I hit the tree, because I can't think that I was going much faster, maybe I was. The question is, would a front collision cause the engine to move forward, maybe 1/4-1/2 inch? How hard would I have to smack to cause the engine to go forward far enough to bend the pulley? Let's all make a wish that the crank wasn't damaged. I'll know tomorrow, maybe.